IGT 7/15/2011, Phils @ Mets

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I haven't seen Pridie in months (he says as he whiffs on 3 pitches). He's become this year's Jeremy Reed.

Our O is really rotten.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

SHaMs suck.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

"SHaMs" is all too appropriate a name.

[ashie62]

This team sucks...period..Sell at will Sandy..

[Frayed Knot]

Beltran says; "I don't suck".

[Willets Point]

Frayed Knot wrote: Beltran says; "I don't suck".

Trade his talented ass NOW!!!

[Guest Edgy DC]

Great game for Turner's glove.

Really angry at Jerry here for giving Evans' at-bat to Hairston.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Always wonder how a guy comes up down by five in the ninth and swings at the first pitch.

[bmfc1]

Edgy DC wrote: Great game for Turner's glove. Really angry at Jerry here for giving Evans' at-bat to Hairston.

You mean Terry, right? And you're kidding, right? Hairston has shown a little bit of skill as a PH (remember last Friday?). Evans has shown that he's a good AAA player.

[bmfc1]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I haven't seen Pridie in months (he says as he whiffs on 3 pitches). He's become this year's Jeremy Reed.

I don't understand keeping a young player on the bench, especially deep on the bench. He'll be playing almost everyday after Beltran gets traded so he should be getting 4 ABs a night in Buffalo instead of 4 ABs a month in NY.

[bmfc1]

Ashie62 wrote: Thole belongs in AAA. Geez, Omir Santos was better than this guy.

Thank you. I've been muttering this for months but figured I'd get ripped so I didn't write it. Name one thing that Thole does well. You can't. He has no power, doesn't hit for average, can't throw, and can't catch which is in the job description for a catcher. At best, he's a .270 singles hitter who can occasionally hit a double. I hope that the Mets get a good catching prospect for Beltran.

[Guest Edgy DC]

bmfc1 wrote: Great game for Turner's glove. Really angry at Jerry here for giving Evans' at-bat to Hairston. You mean Terry, right?

Yeah, it's neither the first nor last time my index fingers will have made that mistake.

bmfc1 wrote: And you're kidding, right?

No, I wasn't kidding. If Evans is going to be here, it's to set him up to cover the first base at-bats against lefties. As it was, he ended up inopportunely up against Bastardo in the ninth.

bmfc1 wrote: Hairston has shown a little bit of skill as a PH

To the extent that pinch-hitting is a skill, but he sure looked like terrible that at-bat.

bmfc1 wrote: (remember last Friday?).

I remember Sunday as well.

bmfc1 wrote: Evans has shown that he's a good AAA player.

Lyndon Johnson was a schoolteacher. We're all one thing until somebody gives us a chance to be another. Hairston too.

[Gwreck]

Really disheartening loss. This is the reminder game that we're not that good.
We held Rollins, Utley and Howard to 1-13 with a walk, and they still scored 7 runs.

Lost in his mistakes (the Tejada error should've gone to him for failure to cover second promptly) were two very nice plays by Turner, in the 4th on Ruiz's grounder and in the 8th on Ibanez's grounder.

Loved the Beltran bomb as we're not going to get very many more of those.

I was unimpressed with the "pyrotechnics;" I remember them being better last year.

[Ceetar]

Ceetar wrote: Predict prior to game time: 1. Who gets the save tonight? (None is an accecptable answer.) 2. David's playing five innings tonight in PSL. What's his boxscore line? No save. 8-1 Mets. 2. 1 AB, 1 2B, 1 R, 1 BB

Hit it EXACTLY.

well, #2. Which is also what the Mets played/fielded like. bleh.

[Guest holychicken]

Game wasn't great because I was surrounded by Philly fans.

However, the pyrotechnics after the game were pretty awesome. Made up for it and I went home happy.

[Ceetar]

holychicken wrote: Game wasn't great because I was surrounded by Philly fans. However, the pyrotechnics after the game were pretty awesome. Made up for it and I went home happy.

I was in front of two rather obnoxious ones. I've only seen two or three episodes of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" but I feel like these two could've been characters on it. (despite being local to here)

[bmfc1]

Edgy, you said: "Lyndon Johnson was a schoolteacher. We're all one thing until somebody gives us a chance to be another. Hairston too."

If Evans is here, it's because lots of better players are hurt. That was a key situation. The Phillies manager knew it--he took out his pitcher who was pitching a shutout. Hairston's far from great, but he was the right choice there.

By your logic, let's play all the kids! This isn't the minors even though the Mets looked like a minor league team last night. I guess Igarashi should pitch more as well--maybe he's not a school teacher, either. Igarashi and Evans have shown nothing to make us believe that they are major league players. They're good at AAA but that's it. You're supposed to win games at the major league level. Maybe if it's September and you're playing another team that's out of it, start Evans, pitch Igarashi. But for now, you pitch Byrdak over Igarashi and you PH Hairston over Evans. Evans will have more chances if Hairston is traded. Maybe then we can see if he's more than a AAA player and future Nippon Ham Fighter.

[Guest Edgy DC]

You know, I understand you're upset that the team lost, but to go and be all sarcastic to folks online and distorting their positions because of that, and at the same claiming that you've been afraid to really offer your opinions because you think folks here are going to "rip" you, is pretty unfair. I'm not sure what I said to deserve all this.

Scott Hairston, major league career against lefties:
.275 / .330 / .487 // .817.

Nick Evans, major league career against lefties:
.296 / .358 / .489 // .847.

I wasn't "pretending."

[bmfc1]

You're entitled to your opinion and I can see some logic in "don't bury a guy without giving him a chance." But you said that you were "angry" at Terry for PH'ing Evans over Hairston and I called you on it. I didn't "distort" your position. I think that Terry made the right move. You don't. You're allowed to have your position.

Just curious--how many plate appearances does each player have for those stats?

[Guest Edgy DC]

bmfc1 wrote: You're entitled to your opinion and I can see some logic in "don't bury a guy without giving him a chance." But you said that you were "angry" at Terry for PH'ing Evans over Hairston and I called you on it. I think that Terry made the right move. You don't. You're allowed to have your position.

I kow what I'm allowed to do. Your "calling me" on it was smothered in ridiculous sarcasm, and I didn't deserve it. The fact that you did it a breath after claiming that you're vulnerable to getting ripped for your opinion is particularly disappointing

bmfc1 wrote: Just curious--how many plate appearances does each player have for those stats?

C'mon. This stuff is readily available. It's not particulary fair that you go and make me look stuff up for you to use against me. Evans has 148. Hairston has 693.

As a pinch-hitter, Hairston has 145 plate appearances and .571 OPS. Evans has 52 plate appearances and a .684 OPS.

[Ceetar]

And this wasn't exactly a "tough" lefty.

And by using Hairston, Terry had to burn two players, because someone had to play first.

[bmfc1]

Ceetar wrote: by using Hairston, Terry had to burn two players, because someone had to play first.

Interesting point because we've read that Hairston had been working out at first base.

[bmfc1]

Edgy, I could write back but enough is enough. I hope that Evans goes 5 for 5 today. I hope that Igarashi gets the save. I hope that Thole goes 4 for 4 with a double and no passed balls and that his deaf dog can hear again. Onto the next game.

[Ceetar]

Why are we killing Thole so much? I know he's mostly been underwhelming all over, but he's OPSing .839 since June first and I think perhaps the rough start he had is coloring perception.

[bmfc1]

Thanks for pointing that out Ceetar. Maybe it's because he can't catch but that's a good reminder. I still hope that the Mets get a top catching prospect for Beltran:

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/07/a-look-at-possible-prospects-in-potential-carlos-beltran-deal.html

[ashie62]

Thole sucks, can't catch, can't hit much..ops a lame .668

[Guest Edgy DC]

Maybe we should start another thread to discuss Thole.

One option we haven't discussed to pinch hit for Duda was Paulino.

[Gwreck]

That was my first choice at the time.