Arb Deadline Tonight

[Frayed Knot]

Frayed Knot wrote: In those pre-FA cases offering arb is simply a statement of continued team interest which has to be declared by tonight. Once offered it binds the player to the team for the upcoming year. Those not offered - say, Maine, for instance - will become FAs even though still short of their 6 years ML time.

This was not quite right.
Last night was only the deadline for offering Arb to potential FAs - something which doesn't affect Pelfrey at al.
The filing period for arbitration eligible cases involving non-FAs doesn't come around until January.
In between now and then, teams simply need to offer a contract to any unsigned players by December 12 in order to retain their rights.

[smg58]

Jorge de la Rosa reminds me of another relatively young Type A lefty who got a generous contract based on upside rather than actual on-field performance. Maybe he'll be worth the draft picks.

[Frayed Knot]

I think he's the 2nd best pitcher available after Lee

[Valadius]

I think he's Javier Vazquez waiting to happen.

[seawolf17]

Valadius wrote: I think he's Javier Vazquez waiting to happen.

BBR says his most similar pitcher to date is Allen Watson, which is hardly a ringing endorsement, but you have to take Colorado out of the picture. I wouldn't pay him big bucks, and especially not if it involves sacrificing draft picks, but you're referring to Vazquez as a failure, which he most certainly isn't.

I'd definitely look at Javy. Two years, $16 million? One year, $9 million? He'd be a great fit.

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: Valadius wrote: I think he's Javier Vazquez waiting to happen. BBR says his most similar pitcher to date is Allen Watson, which is hardly a ringing endorsement, but you have to take Colorado out of the picture. I wouldn't pay him big bucks, and especially not if it involves sacrificing draft picks, but you're referring to Vazquez as a failure, which he most certainly isn't. I'd definitely look at Javy. Two years, $16 million? One year, $9 million? He'd be a great fit.

ew. I hope he accepts abitration actually.

[seawolf17]

He's one year removed from finishing fourth in the Cy Young race for a key division rival, with a 1.026 WHIP and a 2.87 ERA. Take his two Yankee years out of the equation, and he's been very, very good.

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: He's one year removed from finishing fourth in the Cy Young race for a key division rival, with a 1.026 WHIP and a 2.87 ERA. Take his two Yankee years out of the equation, and he's been very, very good.

I put the most weight on the most recent data. and it was trending downward, and not in a good way. velocity, K/9..all the fringe stats suggest he didn't just have a bad year.

[Valadius]

Vazquez is probably the most unreliable pitcher I've ever seen, in a different way than Ollie Perez. Vazquez always seems to have wild swings back and forth from being a very good pitcher one year to being very bad the next.

[seawolf17]

Valadius wrote: Vazquez is probably the most unreliable pitcher I've ever seen, in a different way than Ollie Perez. Vazquez always seems to have wild swings back and forth from being a very good pitcher one year to being very bad the next.

Where? At what point in his career, until last year, was he "very bad"?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I would say "buy low" on Vazquez, but those peripherals trends are a little spooky. He's had some one-year dips in K-rate, but his walk rate hasn't been above 3 since his first year or two in the league... and never as high as last year. And he IS 34, so the chances that it's just a one-year blip aren't as significant as they used to be.

That said... I don't know that there's a better high-reward gamble out there, if he'll come semi-cheap. I have a feeling he won't, though... and with Johan out 'til question mark, it ain't bloody likely.

Weren't Downs and Frasor Type-As? Did they get offered arb? If not...

[seawolf17]

I'm saying a Ben Sheets-style one-year deal could really pan out on Vazquez. If an NL team somehow buys him low, they're going to get great value.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Pedro Feliciano is reportedly "leaning towards" accepting arbitration from the Mets.

[metirish]

Feliciano has officialy declined arbitration from the Mets....per various tweets

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Good for him, hopefully us too.

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: Feliciano has officialy declined arbitration from the Mets....per various tweets

aww.

[Ceetar]

Who of 2010 is a sure thing in the bullpen for 2011. Parnell? Gonna be a lot of new faces.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Even Parnell ended the season on the OwieOwie List, so even with him there's some ambiguity.

[metirish]

Orlando Hudson will reject arbitration.