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If Oliver Perez can't get an inning in a game like this, when IS he going to pitch?

I wonder if they actually want him to feel buried so that he'll accept an assignment to Buffalo.[/quote:1seegbtk]

Bingo!

On a side note I attempted to score the POTG for this game,
(wherein I reward everyone who does his job properly
with something, ..anything,) ...and my head exploded.


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Nothing personal, but you guys is insane.


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That's a pretty good summary of my feelings about Kingman. I adore the guy and could talk about him all day. He was like an existentialist and misanthropic Steve Austin. Or like Wolverine without a Professor X to constantly do the personal work to keep him on the side of the commonweal.

What they don't point out is that Kingman disappeared after hitting 35 homers because the owners were price-fixing that year. He won a settlement.


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Kingman in 1979 had a very similar season to Andre Dawson's in 1987 when he got traded to the Cubs. Significantly better, actually. But Dawson won the MVP, and Kingman finished eleventh in the voting. Basically because Dawson was a good guy and Kingman was Kingman. I'm not going to cry for Dave Kingman, but that does seem kind of a raw deal. Not that either one of them deserved the award, of course.


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I cried.

Of course, had he won the MVP, or at least got up where he belonged in the top four or so, the Mets would have had to give up more than Steve Henderson to get him back.

You know, if the defense wasn't there, it wasn't because he was disengaged.

Unless it was:



Guest Edgy DC
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In trying to identify Dave Kingman photos, remember: if he's in Pumas, it's his first tour of duty; if he's in Ponys, it's his second.



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When Kingman first signed with the Cubs, he had asked for --and received-- a lucrative incentive bonus should he break the Cubs all-time single season record for RBI's. Kingman was elated and privately thought that he had snookered the Cubs. Moreover, Kingman couldn't understand why the Cubs were so eager and willing to include the perk in Kong's contract. Kingman thought that the Cubs simply folded on that clause. He had absolutely no idea that the Cubs RBI record was also the MLB all-time record --- 190 RBI's (Hack Wilson, 1930).


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That's a great story, but it sounds a bit dubious. I know contracts now don't allow anything that smacks of a player's salary to pinned to performance numbers --- awards, yes, and appearance figues, yes, but not wins, homers, and whatnot.


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That's a great story, but it sounds a bit dubious. I know contracts now don't allow anything that smacks of a player's salary to pinned to performance numbers --- awards, yes, and appearance figues, yes, but not wins, homers, and whatnot.[/quote:6zy2lr1n]

It was a bonus -- not salary. Given that Kingman signed with Chicago as a free agent, the guaranteed portion of his contract was likely sufficiently affluent relative to most other major leaguers, so that no one could have reasonably thought that he was being underpaid, or paid by the RBI. And I'm 100% positive about my recall of the story. It was Kingman himself who related it. It might've appeared in a Baseball Digest, though I can't remember the exact source. I believe that the story was made public while Kingman was a Cub, so I'm going back more than 30 years.


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When Kingman first signed with the Cubs, he had asked for --and received-- a lucrative incentive bonus should he break the Cubs all-time single season record for RBI's. Kingman was elated and privately thought that he had snookered the Cubs. Moreover, Kingman couldn't understand why the Cubs were so eager and willing to include the perk in Kong's contract. Kingman thought that the Cubs simply folded on that clause. He had absolutely no idea that the Cubs RBI record was also the MLB all-time record --- 190 RBI's (Hack Wilson, 1930).
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When Kingman first signed with the Cubs, he had asked for --and received-- a lucrative incentive bonus should he break the Cubs all-time single season record for RBI's. Kingman was elated and privately thought that he had snookered the Cubs. Moreover, Kingman couldn't understand why the Cubs were so eager and willing to include the perk in Kong's contract. Kingman thought that the Cubs simply folded on that clause. He had absolutely no idea that the Cubs RBI record was also the MLB all-time record --- 190 RBI's (Hack Wilson, 1930).

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