Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[Guest Edgy DC]

OK, here we go. These eight are the survivors of the Stengel Group and the Payson Group. There's some consensus (but not overwhelming) that these are all worthy folk, though you may well think that one or more of these folks are unworthy.

What I'm asking in this final group is for you to rank these eight (or fewer, if you so feel) in the order order you'd like to see them enshrined.

Frank Cashen
Dwight Gooden
Jane Jarvis
Davey Johnson
Mike Piazza
Darryl Strawberry
Bobby Valentine
Rube Walker

[metirish]

Piazza
Gooden
Strawberry
Johnson
Cashen
Valentine
Walker
Jarvis

[Guest Edgy DC]

As for me:

1) Jane Jarvis
2) Frank Cashen
3) Davey Johnson
4) Rube Walker
5) Darryl Strawberry
6) Dwight Gooden
7) Bobby Valentine
8) Mike Piazza

I think the first four would make a great class to begin catching up with the Hall's neglect, with two guys intimately linked and representing the triumph of the early Wilpon/Doubleday years, and two figure representing the richness of the culture that Fred and Nelson inherited.

Enshrine Gooden and Strawberry in year two --- also intimately linked --- and then we're caught up and we can go back to doing these guys one at a time, considered exclusively on their own merits, except in cases where their legacies are linked. Wilpon and Doubleday would maybe even be my third class.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Frank Cashen
Davey Johnson
Rube Walker
Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Bobby Valentine
Mike Piazza
Jane Jarvis

[Guest Edgy DC]

Piazza
Gooden
Strawberry
Johnson
Cashen
Valentine
Walker
Jarvis[/quote:1ilhooqm]

If you believe Ms. Jarvis belongs in at all --- and I certainly acknowledge that she may not --- then you've got to get behind enshrining her quickly, while her heart still beats. You too, Ben.

[G-Fafif]

1. Darryl Strawberry
2. Dwight Gooden
3. Davey Johnson
4. Frank Cashen
5. Rube Walker
6. Jane Jarvis
7. Mike Piazza
8. Bobby Valentine

Ideally, the first six would go in in 2010; let Rube and Jane ride the coattails of the attention that would be given Darryl and Doc. A few outsized classes are in order to make up for the lack of action since 2002.

[Guest Edgy DC]

While I agree in spirit, I worry that six is too many. Not enough attention to go around, maybe. That's why I ask the middle-aged Doc and Darryl to wait a year, and hope Johnson and Cashen can anchor the publicity machine.

[G-Fafif]

If you believe Ms. Jarvis belongs in at all --- and I certainly acknowledge that she may not --- then you've got to get behind enshrining her quickly, while her heart still beats. You too, Ben.[/quote:p01atvir]

I don't necessarily disagree with that assessment, but can you let a few more people vote before bending them to your will?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't mean to bend.

I mean to avoid work.

I'm a mess.

[G-Fafif]

While I agree in spirit, I worry that six is too many. Not enough attention to go around, maybe. That's why I ask the middle-aged Doc and Darryl to wait a year, and hope Johnson and Cashen can anchor the publicity machine.[/quote:3v7j4sok]

I think this thing has to come back with a splash. Lots of worthy candidates, but only a handful capable of generating a genuine buzz. If they'd been doing inductions for years, Davey would be enough of an attraction. I don't think he is gatewise at this moment (I can just hear Dave Howard bemoan, "we tried it and only sold 38,000 tickets, it's not worth it.") And, let's face it: based on their track records, Doc or Darryl are not sure things to outlast Jane and Frank.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Darryl Strawberry
Dwight Gooden
Mike Piazza
Rube Walker
Frank Cashen
Davey Johnson
Bobby Valentine
*
Jane Jarvis

[HahnSolo]

1. Piazza
2. Doc
3. Straw
4. Cashen
5. Davey
6. Walker
7. Valentine
8. Jarvis

I'm in the camp of a Jane Jarvis feature in the Met museum, not a plaque in the HOF.

How many will be enshrined at once? Is it only one per year? Doc and Straw I would like to see go in together.

[G-Fafif]

How many will be enshrined at once? Is it only one per year? Doc and Straw I would like to see go in together.[/quote:4tf72yy1]

I don't think, in real life, that there's anything hard and fast (that's what she said). The Mets have inducted as many as three at once (Lindsey, Bob, Ralph) and classes of two were otherwise the rule through '86. Since then it's been one per year when a year had anything to offer.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

1. Walker
2. Cashen
3. Johnson
4. Jarvis
5. Gooden
6. Strawberry
7. Piazza
8. Valentine

Get the folks what should be there already-- father of the five-man rotation and nurturer of HOF arms, architect and contractor for the 80s teams-- in there.

Ms. Jarvis, while she's still with us.

Then Doc-Straw. Then Piazza-Valentine (I wouldn't mind if my 9th-place guy, Fonzie, got in with that group).

OE: Or, apparently, what Edge and a few others already laid out above.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

1. Piazza
2. Cashen
3. Straw
4. Gooden
5. Johnson
6. Walker
7. Valentine
875. Jarvis

[Guest Edgy DC]

Some folks hate it when a keyboardist joins the group.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

876. Billy Preston

[Guest Swan Swan H]

DTP. I think my wireless connection is wonky.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

DTP redux

[G-Fafif]

Will it go round in circles?

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Frank Cashen
Darryl Strawberry
Dwight Gooden
Davey Johnson
Mike Piazza
Rube Walker
Bobby Valentine
Jane Jarvis

[TransMonk]

Mike Piazza
Davey Johnson
Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Frank Cashen
Bobby Valentine
Rube Walker
Jane Jarvis

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

1) Darryl Strawberry
2) Dwight Gooden
3) Frank Cashen
4) Davey Johnson

Put them all in together as a salute to the teams of the 1980s. Isn't 2011 the 25th anniversary? Do it this year and call it the first shot at an upcoming year of salutes to the champions.

5) Mike Piazza
6) Bobby Valentine

Put them in together as your recognition of that era. When is Mikey eligible for Cooperstown? Honor him before the damn Dodgers do and ensure there's a Mets cap on his plaque.

7) Rube Walker

It's long overdue, but since he's passed, there's no real rush when there are worthy folks in line.

8) Jane Jarvis

My fear here is that we'd have to endure years of Yankee hack douche bags belittling the team saying how the Mets are so lame that they induct the organist into their Hall of Fame. Now, screw Klapisch, because he'll always find a reason to belittle the Mets. But I don't like the idea of inflicting that on Jane Jarvis, who deserves better than to be a punchline for Joel Sherman and the rest of those ass-wipes.

[Guest Edgy DC]

My fear here is that we'd have to endure years of Yankee hack douche bags belittling the team saying how the Mets are so lame that they induct the organist into their Hall of Fame.[/quote:34rp139q]

Do justice thought the heavens may fall. Seek neither to enter the good graces nor escape the scorn of such folks.

The Yankees have an equipment manager in monument park.

[G-Fafif]

My fear here is that we'd have to endure years of Yankee hack douche bags belittling the team saying how the Mets are so lame that they induct the organist into their Hall of Fame. Now, screw Klapisch, because he'll always find a reason to belittle the Mets. But I don't like the idea of inflicting that on Jane Jarvis, who deserves better than to be a punchline for Joel Sherman and the rest of those ass-wipes.

[RealityChuck]

Mike Piazza
Frank Cashen
Rube Walker
Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Davey Johnson
Bobby Valentine
Jane Jarvis

[Guest themetfairy]

OK, here we go. These eight are the survivors of the Stengel Group and the Payson Group. There's some consensus (but not overwhelming) that these are all worthy folk, though you may well think that one or more of these folks are unworthy.

What I'm asking in this final group is for you to rank these eight (or fewer, if you so feel) in the order order you'd like to see them enshrined.

Frank Cashen
Dwight Gooden
Jane Jarvis
Davey Johnson
Mike Piazza
Darryl Strawberry
Bobby Valentine
Rube Walker[/quote:1wyswql5]

Frank Cashen. The rest can wait for subsequent years.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I meant to solicit an order including all who you feel are currently qualified, with the understanding that including folks in such in order does not endorse all actually getting in immediately, but rather in the order you list.

[Vic Sage]

class of 2010:
Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Davey Johnson
Frank Cashen

class of 2011:
Mike Piazza
Bobby Valentine

class of 2012:
Rube Walker
Jane Jarvis

[Guest Edgy DC]

Good show.