IGT 9/20/2007 - Mets (Glavine) vs Marlins (Willis)

[bmfc1]

Edgy--"That's fine, and I mostly agree, but it's largely the realm of theory.
We're running out of pitching."

True and true.

[Zvon]

[Guest holychicken]

="Zvon"]...what's I miss? You don't really have to answer that.

LOL. Thanks, I got a kick out of that.

[Guest Edgy DC]

bmfc1 wrote: G'night folks. Will anybody sleep well tonight?

As long as I sleep 10% better than Wright and Wagner, I guess I'm fine.

[metirish]

Willie in the post-game said Wagner had shoulder and back stiffness.



I'm shattered after watching that game.

[Guest holychicken]

metirish wrote: Willie in the post-game said Wagner had shoulder and back stiffness. I'm shattered after watching that game.

Whoa whoa. . .you were actually ABLE to watch the post game? I couldn't get away from my TV fast enough.

[metirish]

Gotta say that Willie looked and sounded shattered.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: ="Frayed Knot"] metsguyinmichigan wrote: How can they bring Sosa back for the 10th? Are you ever going to suggest an alternate pitcher or just continually say; Not Him ... Not Him ... Not Him to each reliever brought in? Or maybe Willie should put out the signal for 'Guy who's on our dream roster' instead. I didn't object to Feliciano. And I've asked about Humber and the others. Clearly Sosa didn't have it.

If Wright doesn't throw the fucking ball into the photobox he probably has a save.

[Zvon]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: If Wright doesn't throw the fucking ball into the photobox he probably has a save.

Yep, and Wright will be the first to echo this.
The boys are getting battle hardened.
Lets hope its not too late.

[Zvon]

Mets pen has allowed 20 runs in the last 7 games.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

If we could replay that 9th inning but not take away the Wright error, we have to look at the Cody's weak-ass bloop and how it was played.

I'm not sure how far Endy had to come to it, I imagine quite a bit, but regardless the ball landed right at his feet. I think ND must have made up his mind to short-hop it and try for a play at third base, rather than to leave his feet to try and make a catch and risk letting the tying run score there. But the proximity of his feet and the ball at the end of the play suggests to me Endy was capable of catching it on the fly. You?

I think letting it fall was a defensible option --- however, his throw was late, and Wright in another display of poor concentration at a critical time, stood there trying to get the umpire to change his call while Cody, who stumbled between 1st and 2nd, pulls into 2nd safely. He was a dead duck there.

So to sum up:

1) ND coulda caught it.
2) Once he didn't, it was on Wright to make a decision and he screwed up.
3) All people named Cody must die.

[metirish]

So much stuff happened in the game last night ,not long after the Milledge tirade the game was again stopped because Heilman was hit with an object while on the mound getting ready to throw,after much pointing back and forth a "fan" wearing a Reyes shirt was escorted from the stadium,yeah I know things are rough right now but that was a shit thing to do,fucking asshole.

[soupcan]

I was out last night and Blackberry-in' this game on the terrorist train home last night.

What a debacle.

I do not have a word to describe how disasterous this bullpen has become. The team cannot score enough runs, there is absolutely no margin for error.

What happened? They were actually good at one point this season.

I am this close to saying that this season is all but over because I just can't see how this team as presently constituted can survive the last 10 games let alone do anything in the playoffs.

Big time bummer dudes.

[Benjamin Grimm]

They have ten games left in which they can right this ship and storm into the playoffs.

I have no faith that it will happen, but it might. So all we can do is stay tuned and hope for the best.

Given the state of the bullpen (and the starting pitching!) even if they do stumble into the playoffs, they'll probably have an early exit.

[metirish]

soupcan wrote: I am this close to saying that this season is all but over because I just can't see how this team as presently constituted can survive the last 10 games let alone do anything in the playoffs. Big time bummer dudes.

I'm thinking the same thing,really even if we make it I can't see us getting past whoever we play in the first round,unless of course our starters go eight innings every night which isn't going to happen obviously.


Fucking pissed as I have ever been.(course I think i said that during the season as well)

[Guest Edgy DC]

metirish wrote: So much stuff happened in the game last night ,not long after the Milledge tirade the game was again stopped because Heilman was hit with an object while on the mound getting ready to throw,after much pointing back and forth a "fan" wearing a Reyes shirt was escorted from the stadium,yeah I know things are rough right now but that was a shit thing to do,fucking asshole.

Rough, nothing. We were down by one.

[soupcan]

Down by one these days is as good as the game being over.

Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore!

[metirish]

Well I meant rough over all and my point was that this asshole shouldn't have thrown whatever he threw at Heilman.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I really don't understand the quick hook that Feliciano got.

You don't generally bring in a pitcher to face one hitter when you have a three-run lead and there's nobody on base. I figured Feliciano's task was to get three outs. He had a margin of error; that one hit he gave up didn't cause an immediate crisis.

Is that Willie's version of panic? Calm demeanor, but panicky moves?

Here are my Raw Sewage Goat of the Game points for Friday night:

Glavine 3
Wright 2
Sosa 2
Randolph 3

[Guest Edgy DC]

soupcan wrote: Down by one these days is as good as the game being over. Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore!

I'm going to disagree. If you're down by one agaisnt a last-place club with Heilman and, presumably, Wagner ready to go, and you take it upon yourself to assault players, you have lost perspective near to the point of institutionalization, and you need to be kept from ballparks.

The game is humbling and intensesly frustrating, with fans 29 of 30 teams going home disappointed, with little or no say over how their teams perform. Mets fans had better learn to deal with that when they're young and stop embarrassing the rest of us by jackassing their way through life.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Yeah, I thought the hook was way too quick especially considering we were Wag-less and up by 3. I suspect Willie doesn't much care for Feliciano.

We know they tangled at least once last year, and this year there was a period during which he completely fell off the radar. Seems like, since then, he's been given very little rope.

Is anyone brave enough to join me in assigning Endy Chavez a Raw Sewage blame point?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think, being in the no-doubles defense that put that ball on the fringes of Endy's range to begin with, he was in containment mode.

I'll give him half a blame point for that, a little more for letting the runner get to second on his throw, cancelling out the no-doubles advantage entirely.

How about a little blame for going for the game winning double instead of looking to play it off the wall and stop the runner on first from scoring?

Remember that Feliciano and Randoph clashed in early July last year when Pedro questoned Wille's usage of him and Willie hammered down on him in the media with, "I've been around winners my whole life. That's not what winners do."

I'm coining a new nickname: Willie the Winner.

Pure speculation department: I'm afraid he's losing or has lost the team over the last few weeks. Willie may make the game decisions, but Red Ass or somebody may be the de facto manager.

[soupcan]

Edgy DC wrote: ="soupcan"]Down by one these days is as good as the game being over. Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore! I'm going to disagree. If you're down by one agaisnt a last-place club with Heilman and, presumably, Wagner ready to go, and you take it upon yourself to assault players, you have lost perspective near to the point of institutionalization, and you need to be kept from ballparks. The game is humbling and intensesly frustrating, with fans 29 of 30 teams going home disappointed, with little or no say over how their teams perform. Mets fans had better learn to deal with that when they're young and stop embarrassing the rest of us by jackassing their way through life.

C'mon - I'm not advocating throwing things at players. Just disagreeing with your assessment that down by one these days for the Mets is not 'rough'.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I'm down with that speculation.

As I said the other day if Winner loses the players he's got nobody but Jerry Manuel and maybe Sandy Sr. on his side.

By the way, anyone read Jeff Wilpon's comments? Thinks he's Steinbrenner or something. I'll go start a new thread

[Guest Edgy DC]

="soupcan"] ="Edgy DC"] ="soupcan"]Down by one these days is as good as the game being over. Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore! I'm going to disagree. If you're down by one agaisnt a last-place club with Heilman and, presumably, Wagner ready to go, and you take it upon yourself to assault players, you have lost perspective near to the point of institutionalization, and you need to be kept from ballparks. The game is humbling and intensesly frustrating, with fans 29 of 30 teams going home disappointed, with little or no say over how their teams perform. Mets fans had better learn to deal with that when they're young and stop embarrassing the rest of us by jackassing their way through life. C'mon - I'm not advocating throwing things at players. Just disagreeing with your assessment that down by one these days for the Mets is not 'rough'.

Sure, but I'm still pissed at Met fans for losing they shit under fire. You got if tough? I seen the toughest around, say the prophet David Lee.

Some Mets guy in a Springsteen shirt and an ugly second-hand Max Weinberg haircut was hanging out with Farmer Ted and me by the Mets' bullpen, looking for kids to kick. Made me feel real good about the DC handgun ban.

Nothing uglier than a Met fan who can't chill da fuck out. They're not helping their team, and, far worse, they're embarassing me.