Milton Bradley

[metsmarathon]

i could probably start a new thread with this, but instead of a guy like bradley, why shouldn't the mets be interested in acquiring a ken griffey jr.?

i mean, i realize that our outfield is already pretty darned old, but he would push alou to the bench, immediately improve our offense and do fairly good things for our defense, and allow gomez to maybe go back down to AAA to continue seasoning. it also solves a portion of our outfield puzzle for next year, and perhaps the year after.

we also have enough outfielders down on the farm that, even after sending, say, milledge, to cincy (and im not claiming that is my preferred package - only that i haven't really thought it through yet), we would have ample insurance for if/when jr got hisself hurt again.

he's playing very well, and isn't all too expensive for the next 2-3 years, with only $6.5M for next year and his '09 option.

[Gwreck]

Unfortunately, there's probably about a 0% chance Griffey waives the no-trade to play in NY.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm not advocating that deal, but I wonder if it isn't maybe above zero.

[Elster88]

iramets wrote: ="metirish"]Instead of Bradley I'd like to see Omar trade for Nady,Pirates are going nowhere,and we know he's a good fit. Nady is a FA after the season. You giving them back Perez and a reliever? Or do you want them to admit publicly that they're taking it up the ass?

Shouldn't be a problem. Only the Mets follow the CYA policy.

[metirish]

I've never understood how any athlete no matter the sport would void a trade to a team that gives him a legitimate shot at winning,any athlete that does that could never be considered among the best to have played his sport,at least not to me.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'll disagree.

Ernie Banks was a great major league ballplayer. Danny Heep wasn't. It's a team sport.

It can even be argued that a truly great player would prefer to use his skills to elevate the team he's on to greatness, rather than move to a great established situation.

[metirish]

Any player that avoids a situation like Griffey might if he were traded to NY in my mind is not a great player...

[Guest Edgy DC]

Heavens, why so strict?

First of all, it's indisputable that Ken Griffey's a great player. If he never does anything again, that's the truth.

Second of all, he grew up in Cincinnati rooting for the Reds. Would you not see a greatness in a man saying, "This is my city, my team. This is the championship I want. It'll be mine and it'll truly be ours, not somebody else's show that I bought into."

And buying in is where it's at. What's greater?:

• Getting involved in a startup company in somebody's garage and helping to take them to the top of the Fortune 500, or


• Buying in to a company when the stock was near peak value, sticking with it a year or so, get 10% or so back on your investment, and patting yourself on the back.

Seems to me the former situation is far less likely, and far greater.

[metirish]

Edgy you make great points and perhaps I am being a bit strict,but I just don't get why a guy like Griffey would not want to be traded to a team with a chance at a WS,isn't that what a great player would want,that chance to win it all,and to not take that chance because he doesn't like the NY "pressure" or whatever it is about this city I think that looks bad on Griffey...

[Guest Edgy DC]

]isn't that what a great player would want,that chance to win it all,

All players have a chance. The truly great make the chance greater.

]and to not take that chance because he doesn't like the NY "pressure" or whatever it is about this city I think that looks bad on Griffey...

Even if that were true, do you really think he'd say that?

What most made Wade Boggs great: his 157 OPS+ in 1986, his 173 in 1987, his 168 in 1988, or his 97 for a world champion in 1996? Or was it signing with the Yankees in 1994 after he had his first poor year, and the Yankees were passing the Sox in division dominance?

Because I think what he did can be called weak, and not great at all.

[Guest iramets]

Elster88 wrote: ="iramets"] ="metirish"]Instead of Bradley I'd like to see Omar trade for Nady,Pirates are going nowhere,and we know he's a good fit. Nady is a FA after the season. You giving them back Perez and a reliever? Or do you want them to admit publicly that they're taking it up the ass? Shouldn't be a problem. Only the Mets follow the CYA policy.

You must forgive me taking some amusement from the colossal arrogance of Mets' fans. You do a deal with the lowly Pirates, give up one player, get two, the least of whom turns out to be a budding star, and you turn around and say to the Pirates, "Uh, by the way, that guy we gave you in that deal? You remember, the one where we totally raped you? Yeah, sorry, 'bout that, sorta. Anyway, you remember the guy we gave you? Yeah, I know we didn't exactly give him to you, but whatever. Anyway, the point is we'd kinda like him back. Turns out we could, uh, sorta use a righthanded OF bat around now. Yeah, he is going pretty good, glad that's working out for you, at least, but the point is...Huh? You want something back? Cool, how about like a AA middle relief guy? Is that cool? OK, maybe an MLB guy,come on, put that down, I was kidding with the AA stuff. OK, like I don't know. David Newhan? How about Scott Schoenweis? Schoenweis was pretty good with the Angels, though, so we'd need a throw-in on your part. Like maybe that Gorzeloony kid you got? Toss him in, and you got yourselves a deal."

And you know what? Some Met fans read this and think "Yeah, Nady and Gorzelonny for Schoenweis, that's fair..."

[metsmarathon]

i think that's a bit too high a price to pay, ira...

and has griffey really said anything lately about not wanting to play a) for a winner in new york?

or are we just reading too much into his actions and motivations from the last time around, way the hell back in 1999?

[Guest Edgy DC]

]And you know what? Some Met fans read this and think "Yeah, Nady and Gorzelonny for Schoenweis, that's fair..."

¿Quien?

[Guest iramets]

Edgy DC wrote: ]And you know what? Some Met fans read this and think "Yeah, Nady and Gorzelonny for Schoenweis, that's fair..." ¿Quien?

Not you?