Dude, where's my dude?

[Frayed Knot]

I don't believe that GMs in general, and Omar in particular, are as fickle when it comes to small sample sizes from young players as fans & media tend to be.

Milledge was one of the top 15 or so prospects over both of the last two off-seasons and was the youngest position player in MLB when called up last year. A so-so first 150 or so ABs and some friction w/vets doesn't suddenly degrade him into being worth no more than "a cracked bat and a tube of liniment".

[Gwreck]

Thanks for doing this Edgy.

MetsGeek (before they turned into absolute crap) used to have a chart like this. Sadly they stopped updating it.

[Guest iramets]

Frayed Knot wrote: A so-so first 150 or so ABs and some friction w/vets doesn't suddenly degrade him into being worth no more than "a cracked bat and a tube of liniment".

Well, it's certainly true that Milledge was NOT swapped out for parts this past winter, and it's certainly true that no one will ever know (as you love to point out , generally) whether Omar turned down fabulous offers for the lad, or insultingly meager offers, or was simply laughed at by other GMs who taunted him with "NOW you're trying to peddle your screwed-up no-bat prospects, instead of the spring of 2006 when I actually thought he was worth something? Go fuck yourself, Omar! Haw, haw, haw," will we?
We can't even know for sure if Omar tried peddling Milledge with the knowledge that he couldn't hope for much in return this past winter.

But most observers, including me, felt that Milledge's trade value had gone down considerably between winter of 2005-6 and winter of 2006-7, and I feel pretty sure that he was worth approximately half on the open market. If you want to quibble about speculative fractions, feel free.

[Guest martin]

iramets wrote: When did the Mets lose Angel Pagan?

january 2006. he was a starter for the cubs for a while last year. played in 77 games. this happened while you were keeping very close tabs on milledge's trade value.

[duan]

iramets

by descending into meaningless hyperbole based around your conjecture and little actual evidence you render your argument both incoherent and nonsensical therefore it's impossible to take a discussion forward.


FWIW, I think your basic point - that Lastings still has a lot to prove and that a continued work rate and positively motivated attitude is going to be important going forward is true.

However, I don't reckon that he's not worth much in a trade, at the right time with the right club he could be worth plenty.

[Guest iramets]

duan wrote: he's not worth much in a trade.

Speaking of "meaningless hyperbole based around your conjecture and little actual evidence", I never said Milledge is not worth much in a trade.

I said I felt his trade value had declined seriously between two winters ago and last winter, and that Omar in my view didn't trade him last winter either becuase he felt himself that trading Milledge when his value had declined had declined was foolish, or he simply didn't get any attractive offers (as opposed to the previous winter, when he was beseiged with them).

I think anyone with an attached brain-stem could tell that my hyperbole--"a cracked bat and a tube of liniment"--was not meant to be taken literally, but as an indication of his falling value. If you want to jump all over my ass for employing hyperbole here (I think that particular image is often-used, it's practically a cliche), then you are identifying yourself as among the brainless.

[duan]

also, Lastings has shaken the rust off
last night he went 4 for 4 including a dinger and stole two bases

[Guest iramets]

So maybe it was (as I say above) good for the Mets that Omar did not get tempting offers for Milledge this winter.

But I continue to believe that if they had been offered anything like a decent starting pitcher, Omar would have been eager to toss him overboard in exchange, which probably would have been a mistake as it turned out. For example, if some GM had come to Omar with the same exact deal for a starting pitcher that Omar had deemed WAY insufficient in the previous winter, Omar would have jumped at it this this time around.
But no one did, so no deal got made, and now Milledge's value is back up, probably to almost where it was 16 months ago.

FTR, I've never been in favor of trading Milledge, for any package, low or high, that I've heard mentioned.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

How do you know any of this?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Because everything is black or white.

If it appears likely, it must be true.

If it appears unlikely, it must be false.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Please refrain from name-calling.

It's hard enough to populate this room these days.

[duan]

italics added for emphasis

="iramets"]So maybe it was (as I say above) good for the Mets that Omar did not get tempting offers for Milledge this winter. But I continue to believe that if they had been offered anything like a decent starting pitcher, Omar would have been eager to toss him overboard in exchange, which probably would have been a mistake as it turned out. For example, if some GM had come to Omar with the same exact deal for a starting pitcher that Omar had deemed WAY insufficient in the previous winter, Omar would have jumped at it this this time around. But no one did, so no deal got made, and now Milledge's value is back up, probably to almost where it was 16 months ago. FTR, I've never been in favor of trading Milledge, for any package, low or high, that I've heard mentioned.

Let me get this straight.
To the baseball industry/Omar Minaya
He was worth John Lackey at the start of last season, he was worth Ramon Ortiz at the end of last season and now after a decent spring training & one hot night in New Orleans he's worth John Lackey again?

[Frayed Knot]

]If you want to quibble about speculative fractions, feel free.

I do and already did.

A lot of prospect talk reminds me of listening to NFL draft speculations. No game has been played in 4 months and the scouting combine was about 6 weeks ago, yet players are constantly "moving" up and down the draft based usually on nothing more than someone's speculation, speculation which, in turn, is reflected and repeated by other talking heads to the point where the rise/plummet is treated as if truth. Of course none of that means that the teams are required to follow the bouncing balls and most of the speculation turns out to weeks and weeks of sound and fury signifying nada. It all brings to mind one of the great sports quotes of all time when the coach/GM was asked why he picked Jones when Smith was much more highly prized by self-appointed ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper Jr.: "Who the BLEEP is Mel Kiper Jr.?!?"

So while Milledge's 150 or so ABs weren't great, they were hardly terrible and there are players headed to the hall of fame who stumbled even worse out of the gate while not as young as Milledge (again, youngest position player in MLB). And I don't see his "behavioral" problems as much more than a temporary image/pr faux pas rather than some sort of a scarlet letter making him the third rail of young ballplayers.. Tampa has several guys with MUCH worse resumes and I think most if not all GMs would happily listen if any or all were suddenly made available.

[Guest Rotblatt]

So basically, Ira, you're saying that the end result is that Omar handled the Milledge situation perfectly, right? I mean, he held on to Milledge instead of trading him, which is exactly what you'd have done in his shoes.

So doesn't that kind of make you a Kool-Aid drinking, Mets-themed-pajama-wearing apologist?

I know, I know--your argument is that he accidentally backed himself into the right move, but still, I kind of feel like you're slipping here, Ira.

Anyway, I don't think there's any doubt that Milledge's trade value declined last season, and that his value this season so far has gone up a little. Personally, I'd like to see us hang on to him and pencil him in as our starting RF of 2008, but I wouldn't be adverse to moving him if the right trade came along. However, like Omar and Ira, I haven't seen a trade involving Milledge bandied about yet that I'd pull the trigger on.

[Guest iramets]

Rotblatt wrote: I don't think there's any doubt that Milledge's trade value declined last season, and that his value this season so far has gone up a little.

It's fairly amazing how many people agree with me, yet manage to be insufferably snide and condescending as they do so.

]However, like Omar and Ira, I haven't seen a trade involving Milledge bandied about yet that I'd pull the trigger on.

Now, Rotblatt, you should know that nothing in the history of the world has even been "bandied about," at least not in the world according to Frayed Knot. Things either happen or they don't. No one has ever discussed something that never happened, or considered doing something but backed out before it had been completed, or anything of the sort, at least not that can be discussed in FK's presence without him having a conniption fit and a double hernia.

I don't think Omar is a bad GM--I think he's about as articulate as a mounted moose, and someone badly in need of "Shut Your Goddamn Mouth Before I Puke In It" lessons, but not a bad GM at all.

[Guest iramets]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: How do you know any of this?

I learned how to read this winter.

[Guest iramets]

duan wrote: Let me get this straight. To the baseball industry/Omar Minaya He was worth John Lackey at the start of last season, he was worth Ramon Ortiz at the end of last season and now after a decent spring training & one hot night in New Orleans he's worth John Lackey again?

Something like that, yes?

I believe there was a time (11/06?) Omar was offered deals for Milledge that were not available to him a year later, and that may be available to him again. You folks are acting like this is a heretical statement, even as you're acknowledging its basic truth. Milledge got something of reputation as a jerkish rookie whose teammates didn't care for him and maybe not such a good MLB hitter as first imagined, and then did a repair job (see TransMonk's sig line) in both categories this ST. Is this shocking news to you or something?

[Frayed Knot]

]... nothing in the history of the world has even been "bandied about," at least not in the world according to Frayed Knot

Of course I never said, hinted at, or implied anything like that.
Nor am I the one assuming - and then treating as if fact - that the lack of a trade is somehow proof of depressed value based primarily on the fact that it can't be proven that it's not.

In fact, I assume that Omar was asked a whole buncha times about Milledge over this past winter and was so mainly because he's still a valuable prospect. But, with two aging corner OFers and minor league prospects who (while promising) are even more towards the unproven/potential end of the scale than Milledge is, it makes sense to hold onto him unless blown away with an offer.

My only point in this whole deal is that I don't believe that baseball insiders treat prospect values with the same wild roller-coaster swings that many fans & media do.

[Guest iramets]

="Frayed Knot"] ] I don't believe that baseball insiders treat prospect values with the same wild roller-coaster swings that many fans & media do. Well, no, they don't, because they have more data at their fingertips and more time to process that data, but professionals (see "Human Race v. Duquette") sometimes do the schmuckiest, most counter-intuitive, nonsensical moves, almost on a par with the most Wild-Assed proposals ever thunk up by fans, media, or retarded chimpanzees, so it's not as if you can say "A professional baseball person did this, so we must all bow down and yield to his infallible wisdom in doing so." Until they cart me off in a straightjacket (this is scheduled for next Tuesday morning), I will insist that baseball professionals have made some startlingly self-destructive deals that fans showed great wisdom in decrying at the time. As evidence that there are swings in young players' value from year to year, I cite almost any prospectus ranking of minor league players. Unless you're simply claiming that these folks' assessments bear no relationship at all to reality (in which case, why do you cite them yourself every few weeks?), plainly you can see that a Milledge or a Wilbur Huckle is often ranked # 13 prospect one year, #2 the next ,and #42 the next. Is it not reasonable to conclude that some similiar process takes place behind the gigantic doors (to accomodate their outsized crania) of MLB executives as well?

Frayed Knot Apr 19 2007 03:12 PM

* Re: ML pros making bad moves, trades, signings, etc. Of course they do; except for there to be the type of overall degrading in Milledge's value as a prospect then virtually everyone - buyers & sellers & just interested viewers - would need to agree that, at the age of 21 w/about 6 weeks of ML service time, his value had plummeted from what it had been just months earlier. That's quite different from just one club/exec making a bad judgement. * Re: downward trends in prospects' values Sure, when they either play poorly or start to "age out" of the group they're playing in. Since these things are partly based on potential standing still is, in effect, moving backwards since there are always new blood to take their place. But Milledge only played poorly if one is under the impression that a youngster is supposed to set the world on fire immediately upon call-up and that anything else is considered a disappointment. His .277/.388/.440 in 300 AAA ABs (while being younger than most) when added to his .241/.310/.380 ML debut isn't failure or even backsliding unless ones expectations are skewed. P.S. You are "Lastings Milledge" as you make these posts so, because of that, all your arguments are considered somewhat degraded.

Edgy DC Apr 21 2007 10:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 21 2007 10:43 PM

Two guys sprung from the limbo of EST into A ball including my boy Serfass, but A is beneath him. Beneath him. I don't see Nickeas on Bingo's roster, but I don't want to remove him until I see where he's gone. Savannah Sandgnats Low A St. Lucie Mets High A Binghamton Mets AA New Orleans Zephyrs AAA New York Mets MLB PITCHERS Jonathan Castillo Matthew Durkin Emary Frederick David Koons Jeremy Mizell Greg Mullens Julio Polanco Nelson Portillo Todd Privett Joshua Stinson Tobi Stoner Timothy Stronach CATCHERS Sean McCraw Francisco Pena INFIELDERS Juan Lagares Hector Pellot Luis Rivera Joshua Thole Greg Veloz Leivi Ventura David Wabick OUTFIELDERS Elvis Cruz Brahiam Maldonado Jonathan Sanchez Daniel Stegall + DISABLED LIST + Jacobo Neguilis, p Jorge Reyes, p PITCHERS Nick Abel Eric Brown Eddie Camacho Jose De La Torre Deolis Guerra German Marte Ryan Meyers Jonathon Niese Bobby Parnell Jacob Ruckle Joey Serfass Jeramy Simmons Michael Swindell Kevin Tomasiewicz CATCHERS Rafael Arroyo Yasmil Bucce Drew Butera INFIELDERS Jose Castro Ryan Coultas Nick Evans Emmanuel Garcia Jonathan Malo Dan Murphy Joshua Petersen OUTFIELDERS Corey Coles Sean Henry Joe Holden Bobby Malek Dustin Martin PITCHERS Salvador Aguilar Marcos Carvajal Ryan Cullen Michael Devaney Tim McNab Ricardo Morales Kevin Mulvey Carlos Muniz Brandon Nall Robert Paulk Marcelo Perez Jose Sanchez CATCHERS Mike Nickeas Jose A Reyes INFIELDERS Wilson Batista Mike Carp Jose Coronado Enrique Cruz Brett Harper Mark Kiger Corey Ragsdale OUTFIELDERS Ambiorix Concepcion Nic Jackson Fernando Martinez Miguel Negron Caleb Stewart PITCHERS Jon Adkins Adam Bostick Willie Collazo Philip Humber Ivan Maldonado Clint Nageotte Chan Ho Park Jose Santiago Steve Schmoll Jorge Sosa Lino Urdaneta Jason Vargas CATCHERS Sandy Alomar Mike DiFelice INFIELDERS Jason Alfaro Ruben Gotay Anderson Hernandez Fernando Tatis Andy Tracy OUTFIELDERS Chip Ambres Jesus Feliciano Carlos Gomez Ricky Ledee Lastings Milledge + DISABLED LIST + Blake McGinley, p Robinson Cancel, c Ben Johnson, of PITCHERS Ambiorix Burgos Pedro Feliciano Tom Glavine Aaron Heilman Orlando Hernandez John Maine Mike Pelfrey Oliver Perez Scott Schoeneweis Aaron Sele Joe Smith Billy Wagner CATCHERS Ramon Castro Paul Lo Duca INFIELDERS Carlos Delgado Damion Easley Julio Franco Jose Reyes Jose Valentin David Wright OUTFIELDERS Moises Alou Carlos Beltran Endy Chavez Shawn Green David Newhan + DISABLED LIST + Pedro Martinez, p Dave Williams, p Juan Padilla, p Duaner Sanchez, p Extended Spring Training PITCHERS Edgar Alfonzo Josh Appell Hayden Beard Alexis Beras Angel Calero Nick Carr Steven Cheney Zachary Clements Joe D. Alessandro Gavin Dlouhy Blake Eager Shane Hawk Nathan Hedrick Joe Hietpas Grady Hinchman John Holdzkom Steven Holquin Eric Knott Jonathan Koller Joseph Leaper Pedro P. Martinez Waner Mateo Ramiro Mendoza Ryan Meyers Manuel Olivares Matt Rainey Edgar Ramirez Kyle Risinger Wendy Rosa Yury Santana Scott Schafer =orange]Joey Serfass^A+ Luis Simeoli Jeramy Simmons Ricky Sparks Raul Valdes Jorge Vasquez Nick Waechter Rip Warren Timothy Worthington CATCHERS Jean-Luc Blaquiere Maxime Bouchard Cesar Cordido Daniel Cummins Rogelio Del Campo Teddy Dziuba Aaron Garcia Jeremy Hambrice Bradley Hubbert Jason Jacobs Stephen Malvagna Tony Piazza Stephen Puhl INFIELDERS Michel Abreu Matt Anderson Shawn Bowman Wil Cordero Jake Eigsti Nick Giarraputo Jose Jimenez Tyler Johnstone James Newman Luis Nieves Ritchie Price Valentin Ramos Joaquin Rodriguez Jonathan Santos Jeffrey Voyles John Wolff OUTFIELDERS Ezequiel Carrera Darren Clark =orange]Corey Coles^A+ Rafael Fernandez Jesus Gamero Donald Green Carlos Guzman Lynn Henry Jamar Hill Victor Mendez Richard Pena Raul Reyes Will Vogl Mark Wright Gabriel Zavala

OlerudOwned Apr 21 2007 10:35 PM

http://firstinning.com/players/Mike-Nickeas-475/ 'Cording to this, Nickeas is in Binghamton and playing.

Edgy DC May 03 2007 04:28 PM

Update following the release of Bobby Malek and Blake McGinley Savannah Sandgnats Low A St. Lucie Mets High A Binghamton Mets AA New Orleans Zephyrs AAA New York Mets MLB PITCHERS Jonathan Castillo Matthew Durkin Emary Frederick David Koons Ryan Meyers Jeremy Mizell Greg Mullens Julio Polanco Nelson Portillo Todd Privett v Joshua Stinson Tobi Stoner Timothy Stronach CATCHERS Sean McCraw Francisco Pena INFIELDERS Juan Lagares Hector Pellot Luis Rivera Joshua Thole Greg Veloz Leivi Ventura D.J. Wabick OUTFIELDERS Elvis Cruz Joe Holden Brahiam Maldonado Jonathan Sanchez v Daniel Stegall + DISABLED LIST + Jacobo Neguilis, p Jorge Reyes, p PITCHERS Nick Abel Eric Brown Eddie Camacho > Jose De La Torre Deolis Guerra German Marte Ryan Meyers < Jonathon Niese Bobby Parnell Jacob Ruckle Joey Serfass Jeramy Simmons Michael Swindell Kevin Tomasiewicz CATCHERS Rafael Arroyo Yasmil Bucce Drew Butera INFIELDERS Jose Castro Ryan Coultas Nick Evans Emmanuel Garcia Jonathan Malo Dan Murphy Joshua Petersen OUTFIELDERS Corey Coles Sean Henry Jamar Hill Joe Holden < Dustin Martin PITCHERS Salvador Aguilar Marcos Carvajal Ryan Cullen Michael Devaney Tim McNab Ricardo Morales Kevin Mulvey Carlos Muniz Brandon Nall Robert Paulk Marcelo Perez Jose Sanchez CATCHERS Mike Nickeas Jose A Reyes INFIELDERS Wilson Bautista > Mike Carp Jose Coronado Enrique Cruz Brett Harper Mark Kiger Corey Ragsdale OUTFIELDERS Ambiorix Concepcion Nic Jackson Fernando Martinez Miguel Negron Caleb Stewart PITCHERS Jon Adkins Adam Bostick Eddie Camacho Willie Collazo Philip Humber Ivan Maldonado Clint Nageotte Chan Ho Park > Jose Santiago Steve Schmoll Jorge Sosa Lino Urdaneta Jason Vargas CATCHERS Sandy Alomar, Jr. Robinson Cancel Mike DiFelice INFIELDERS Jason Alfaro Wilson Bautista Ruben Gotay > Anderson Hernandez Fernando Tatis Andy Tracy OUTFIELDERS Chip Ambres Jesus Feliciano Carlos Gomez Ricky Ledee + DISABLED LIST + Ben Johnson, of Lastings Milledge, of PITCHERS Ambiorix Burgos Pedro Feliciano Tom Glavine Aaron Heilman John Maine Chan Ho Park Mike Pelfrey Oliver Perez Scott Schoeneweis Aaron Sele Joe Smith Billy Wagner CATCHERS Ramon Castro Paul Lo Duca INFIELDERS Carlos Delgado Damion Easley Julio Franco Ruben Gotay Jose Reyes David Wright OUTFIELDERS Moises Alou Carlos Beltran Endy Chavez Shawn Green David Newhan + DISABLED LIST + Orlando Hernandez, p Pedro Martinez, p Dave Williams, p Juan Padilla, p Duaner Sanchez, p Jose Valentin, if Extended Spring Training PITCHERS Edgar Alfonzo Josh Appell Hayden Beard Alexis Beras Angel Calero Nick Carr Steven Cheney Zachary Clements Joe D. Alessandro Gavin Dlouhy Blake Eager Shane Hawk Nathan Hedrick Joe Hietpas Grady Hinchman John Holdzkom Steven Holquin Eric Knott Jonathan Koller Joseph Leaper Pedro P. Martinez Waner Mateo Ramiro Mendoza Ryan Meyers Manuel Olivares Todd Privett Matt Rainey Edgar Ramirez Kyle Risinger Wendy Rosa Yury Santana Scott Schafer Luis Simeoli Jeramy Simmons Ricky Sparks Raul Valdes Jorge Vasquez Nick Waechter Rip Warren Timothy Worthington CATCHERS Jean-Luc Blaquiere Maxime Bouchard Cesar Cordido Daniel Cummins Rogelio Del Campo Teddy Dziuba Aaron Garcia Jeremy Hambrice Bradley Hubbert Jason Jacobs Stephen Malvagna Tony Piazza Stephen Puhl INFIELDERS Michel Abreu Matt Anderson Shawn Bowman Wil Cordero Jake Eigsti Nick Giarraputo Jose Jimenez Tyler Johnstone James Newman Luis Nieves Ritchie Price Valentin Ramos Joaquin Rodriguez Jonathan Santos Jeffrey Voyles John Wolff OUTFIELDERS Ezequiel Carrera Darren Clark Rafael Fernandez Jesus Gamero Donald Green Carlos Guzman Lynn Henry Jamar Hill ^ Victor Mendez Richard Pena Raul Reyes Jonathan Sanchez Will Vogl Mark Wright Gabriel Zavala

[Frayed Knot]

* Re: ML pros making bad moves, trades, signings, etc.
Of course they do; except for there to be the type of overall degrading in Milledge's value as a prospect then virtually everyone - buyers & sellers & just interested viewers - would need to agree that, at the age of 21 w/about 6 weeks of ML service time, his value had plummeted from what it had been just months earlier. That's quite different from just one club/exec making a bad judgement.

* Re: downward trends in prospects' values
Sure, when they either play poorly or start to "age out" of the group they're playing in. Since these things are partly based on potential standing still is, in effect, moving backwards since there are always new blood to take their place.
But Milledge only played poorly if one is under the impression that a youngster is supposed to set the world on fire immediately upon call-up and that anything else is considered a disappointment. His .277/.388/.440 in 300 AAA ABs (while being younger than most) when added to his .241/.310/.380 ML debut isn't failure or even backsliding unless ones expectations are skewed.



P.S. You are "Lastings Milledge" as you make these posts so, because of that, all your arguments are considered somewhat degraded.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Two guys sprung from the limbo of EST into A ball including my boy Serfass, but A is beneath him.

Beneath him.

I don't see Nickeas on Bingo's roster, but I don't want to remove him until I see where he's gone.

Savannah Sandgnats Low A		St. Lucie Mets High A		Binghamton Mets AA		New Orleans Zephyrs AAA		New York Mets MLB
PITCHERS Jonathan Castillo Matthew Durkin Emary Frederick David Koons Jeremy Mizell Greg Mullens Julio Polanco Nelson Portillo Todd Privett Joshua Stinson Tobi Stoner Timothy Stronach CATCHERS Sean McCraw Francisco Pena INFIELDERS Juan Lagares Hector Pellot Luis Rivera Joshua Thole Greg Veloz Leivi Ventura David Wabick OUTFIELDERS Elvis Cruz Brahiam Maldonado Jonathan Sanchez Daniel Stegall + DISABLED LIST + Jacobo Neguilis, p Jorge Reyes, p		PITCHERS Nick Abel Eric Brown Eddie Camacho Jose De La Torre Deolis Guerra German Marte Ryan Meyers Jonathon Niese Bobby Parnell Jacob Ruckle Joey Serfass Jeramy Simmons Michael Swindell Kevin Tomasiewicz CATCHERS Rafael Arroyo Yasmil Bucce Drew Butera INFIELDERS Jose Castro Ryan Coultas Nick Evans Emmanuel Garcia Jonathan Malo Dan Murphy Joshua Petersen OUTFIELDERS Corey Coles Sean Henry Joe Holden Bobby Malek Dustin Martin		PITCHERS Salvador Aguilar Marcos Carvajal Ryan Cullen Michael Devaney Tim McNab Ricardo Morales Kevin Mulvey Carlos Muniz Brandon Nall Robert Paulk Marcelo Perez Jose Sanchez CATCHERS Mike Nickeas Jose A Reyes INFIELDERS Wilson Batista Mike Carp Jose Coronado Enrique Cruz Brett Harper Mark Kiger Corey Ragsdale OUTFIELDERS Ambiorix Concepcion Nic Jackson Fernando Martinez Miguel Negron Caleb Stewart		PITCHERS Jon Adkins Adam Bostick Willie Collazo Philip Humber Ivan Maldonado Clint Nageotte Chan Ho Park Jose Santiago Steve Schmoll Jorge Sosa Lino Urdaneta Jason Vargas CATCHERS Sandy Alomar Mike DiFelice INFIELDERS Jason Alfaro Ruben Gotay Anderson Hernandez Fernando Tatis Andy Tracy OUTFIELDERS Chip Ambres Jesus Feliciano Carlos Gomez Ricky Ledee Lastings Milledge + DISABLED LIST + Blake McGinley, p Robinson Cancel, c Ben Johnson, of		PITCHERS Ambiorix Burgos Pedro Feliciano Tom Glavine Aaron Heilman Orlando Hernandez John Maine Mike Pelfrey Oliver Perez Scott Schoeneweis Aaron Sele Joe Smith Billy Wagner CATCHERS Ramon Castro Paul Lo Duca INFIELDERS Carlos Delgado Damion Easley Julio Franco Jose Reyes Jose Valentin David Wright OUTFIELDERS Moises Alou Carlos Beltran Endy Chavez Shawn Green David Newhan + DISABLED LIST + Pedro Martinez, p Dave Williams, p Juan Padilla, p Duaner Sanchez, p
Extended Spring Training
PITCHERS Edgar Alfonzo Josh Appell Hayden Beard Alexis Beras Angel Calero Nick Carr Steven Cheney Zachary Clements Joe D. Alessandro Gavin Dlouhy Blake Eager Shane Hawk Nathan Hedrick Joe Hietpas Grady Hinchman John Holdzkom Steven Holquin Eric Knott Jonathan Koller Joseph Leaper Pedro P. Martinez Waner Mateo Ramiro Mendoza Ryan Meyers Manuel Olivares Matt Rainey Edgar Ramirez Kyle Risinger Wendy Rosa Yury Santana Scott Schafer =orange]Joey Serfass^A+ Luis Simeoli Jeramy Simmons Ricky Sparks Raul Valdes Jorge Vasquez Nick Waechter Rip Warren Timothy Worthington CATCHERS Jean-Luc Blaquiere Maxime Bouchard Cesar Cordido Daniel Cummins Rogelio Del Campo Teddy Dziuba Aaron Garcia Jeremy Hambrice Bradley Hubbert Jason Jacobs Stephen Malvagna Tony Piazza Stephen Puhl INFIELDERS Michel Abreu Matt Anderson Shawn Bowman Wil Cordero Jake Eigsti Nick Giarraputo Jose Jimenez Tyler Johnstone James Newman Luis Nieves Ritchie Price Valentin Ramos Joaquin Rodriguez Jonathan Santos Jeffrey Voyles John Wolff OUTFIELDERS Ezequiel Carrera Darren Clark =orange]Corey Coles^A+ Rafael Fernandez Jesus Gamero Donald Green Carlos Guzman Lynn Henry Jamar Hill Victor Mendez Richard Pena Raul Reyes Will Vogl Mark Wright Gabriel Zavala

[Guest OlerudOwned]

http://firstinning.com/players/Mike-Nickeas-475/

'Cording to this, Nickeas is in Binghamton and playing.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Update following the release of Bobby Malek and Blake McGinley

Savannah Sandgnats Low A		St. Lucie Mets High A		Binghamton Mets AA		New Orleans Zephyrs AAA		New York Mets MLB
PITCHERS Jonathan Castillo Matthew Durkin Emary Frederick David Koons Ryan Meyers Jeremy Mizell Greg Mullens Julio Polanco Nelson Portillo Todd Privett v Joshua Stinson Tobi Stoner Timothy Stronach CATCHERS Sean McCraw Francisco Pena INFIELDERS Juan Lagares Hector Pellot Luis Rivera Joshua Thole Greg Veloz Leivi Ventura D.J. Wabick OUTFIELDERS Elvis Cruz Joe Holden Brahiam Maldonado Jonathan Sanchez v Daniel Stegall + DISABLED LIST + Jacobo Neguilis, p Jorge Reyes, p		PITCHERS Nick Abel Eric Brown Eddie Camacho > Jose De La Torre Deolis Guerra German Marte Ryan Meyers < Jonathon Niese Bobby Parnell Jacob Ruckle Joey Serfass Jeramy Simmons Michael Swindell Kevin Tomasiewicz CATCHERS Rafael Arroyo Yasmil Bucce Drew Butera INFIELDERS Jose Castro Ryan Coultas Nick Evans Emmanuel Garcia Jonathan Malo Dan Murphy Joshua Petersen OUTFIELDERS Corey Coles Sean Henry Jamar Hill Joe Holden < Dustin Martin		PITCHERS Salvador Aguilar Marcos Carvajal Ryan Cullen Michael Devaney Tim McNab Ricardo Morales Kevin Mulvey Carlos Muniz Brandon Nall Robert Paulk Marcelo Perez Jose Sanchez CATCHERS Mike Nickeas Jose A Reyes INFIELDERS Wilson Bautista > Mike Carp Jose Coronado Enrique Cruz Brett Harper Mark Kiger Corey Ragsdale OUTFIELDERS Ambiorix Concepcion Nic Jackson Fernando Martinez Miguel Negron Caleb Stewart		PITCHERS Jon Adkins Adam Bostick Eddie Camacho Willie Collazo Philip Humber Ivan Maldonado Clint Nageotte Chan Ho Park > Jose Santiago Steve Schmoll Jorge Sosa Lino Urdaneta Jason Vargas CATCHERS Sandy Alomar, Jr. Robinson Cancel Mike DiFelice INFIELDERS Jason Alfaro Wilson Bautista Ruben Gotay > Anderson Hernandez Fernando Tatis Andy Tracy OUTFIELDERS Chip Ambres Jesus Feliciano Carlos Gomez Ricky Ledee + DISABLED LIST + Ben Johnson, of Lastings Milledge, of		PITCHERS Ambiorix Burgos Pedro Feliciano Tom Glavine Aaron Heilman John Maine Chan Ho Park Mike Pelfrey Oliver Perez Scott Schoeneweis Aaron Sele Joe Smith Billy Wagner CATCHERS Ramon Castro Paul Lo Duca INFIELDERS Carlos Delgado Damion Easley Julio Franco Ruben Gotay Jose Reyes David Wright OUTFIELDERS Moises Alou Carlos Beltran Endy Chavez Shawn Green David Newhan + DISABLED LIST + Orlando Hernandez, p Pedro Martinez, p Dave Williams, p Juan Padilla, p Duaner Sanchez, p Jose Valentin, if
Extended Spring Training
PITCHERS Edgar Alfonzo Josh Appell Hayden Beard Alexis Beras Angel Calero Nick Carr Steven Cheney Zachary Clements Joe D. Alessandro Gavin Dlouhy Blake Eager Shane Hawk Nathan Hedrick Joe Hietpas Grady Hinchman John Holdzkom Steven Holquin Eric Knott Jonathan Koller Joseph Leaper Pedro P. Martinez Waner Mateo Ramiro Mendoza Ryan Meyers Manuel Olivares Todd Privett Matt Rainey Edgar Ramirez Kyle Risinger Wendy Rosa Yury Santana Scott Schafer Luis Simeoli Jeramy Simmons Ricky Sparks Raul Valdes Jorge Vasquez Nick Waechter Rip Warren Timothy Worthington CATCHERS Jean-Luc Blaquiere Maxime Bouchard Cesar Cordido Daniel Cummins Rogelio Del Campo Teddy Dziuba Aaron Garcia Jeremy Hambrice Bradley Hubbert Jason Jacobs Stephen Malvagna Tony Piazza Stephen Puhl INFIELDERS Michel Abreu Matt Anderson Shawn Bowman Wil Cordero Jake Eigsti Nick Giarraputo Jose Jimenez Tyler Johnstone James Newman Luis Nieves Ritchie Price Valentin Ramos Joaquin Rodriguez Jonathan Santos Jeffrey Voyles John Wolff OUTFIELDERS Ezequiel Carrera Darren Clark Rafael Fernandez Jesus Gamero Donald Green Carlos Guzman Lynn Henry Jamar Hill ^ Victor Mendez Richard Pena Raul Reyes Jonathan Sanchez Will Vogl Mark Wright Gabriel Zavala