Can you imagine?

[Guest Edgy DC]

How much is DodgerNationOnline pounding third base coach Rich Donnelly tonight?



The guy has been a big league coach for 25 years and he may never hear the end of this.

[A Boy Named Seo]

I never saw a clear replay of Donnelly, but it seems to me he waved Kent in and didn't give Drew his own set of signs, and Drew barrelled towards the plate thinking the sign to keep running was for him. Poor coaching by Donnelly for sure.

Still, Drew needs to have some sort of clue with the play developing in front of him. Was he looking down? Trying to find his lady in the stands? How did he have no idea what was going on at the plate?

[Zvon]

There were afew boo-boos on that play.
Kent going back to tag?
Even we could see from TV that Green wasnt gonna get to that ball.
If Kents half way he scores easily.

Drew slowed a bit around third?
And his head first slide into home slows him down.
If he tries to barrell over LoDuca, I dont know that LoDuke holds on to that ball.
Cuz he was just as surprized as you and I that Drew was coming in.

You cant lay it all on the coach--he HAD to try to plate Kent.
And did he actually wave Drew in?
(Im sure Ill see plenty of replays and---maybe he did- then I may amend this.)

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: How much is DodgerNationOnline pounding third base coach Rich Donnelly tonight?

Not at all. Folks out west don't like baseball.

[metirish]

Thankfully Maine was screaming at LoDuca to turn around and get Drew....

[metirish]

On Baseball Tonight Tin Kurkjian is saying that Drew had his head down and ran through the stop sign....and it shows Donnelly certainly was not waving him home.

[Zvon]

metirish wrote: On Baseball Tonight Tin Kurkin is saying that Drew had his head down and ran through the stop sign....and it shows Donnelly certainly was not waving him home.

They also said Kent did the right thing going back to tag---but i dunno---
No way was Green gonna reach that ball-

But they have a point that if Kent is out at the plate, thats just one out. The second out by Drew was the big one as far as the Mets getting out of a really big inning by the Dodgers goes.

Is that Arizonas Burns on ESPN?
Whoever that is, I like his comments. He's good.

[metirish]

] Is that Arizonas Burns on ESPN? Whoever that is, I like his comments. He's good.

yes I thought that was him,Vernon Wells is pretty good too.

[Zvon]

metirish wrote: ] Is that Arizonas Burns on ESPN? Whoever that is, I like his comments. He's good. yes I thought that was him,Vernon Wells is pretty good too.

Is that a fake nose Wells is wearing?
Dont they usually have fake glasses attached to em?

[metirish]

I don't like Eric Byrnes anymore,he jsut declared that he has a "man-love" for Jeter....

[A Boy Named Seo]

Eh, maybe.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Dodger Blues self-immolations.

http://www.dodgerblues.com//fanforum/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6703

[metirish]

Thankfully this place is not like that forum...the user names say it all too.

[RealityChuck]

That's only the seventh time in MLB history when a catcher tagged out two. The first time in the postseason.

See http://members.tripod.com/bb_catchers/catchers/doubletag2.htm

Still, sending Kent wasn't that horrible a decision -- I've seen the Mets try things like that all season, daring the other team to make a perfect throw. Looks like the Mets did. But Drew is guilty of abysmal baserunning.

[RealityChuck]

And it looks like the Mets were once victims, too. And one of the players tagged out was in the dugout today.

[Guest Edgy DC]

That's a great link. It has the Yankee play I remembered:

On 8/2/1985

the White Sox played the Yankees at Yankee Stadium). It was the bottom of the 7th inning with the scored tied 3-3); Andre Robertson (pitcher) singled; Bobby Meacham in to run for Robertson; Dale Berra reached on an error by Tim Hulett (3B). [Meacham to second, Berra to first]; Rickey Henderson singled [Meacham out at home on a throw from Luis Salazar to Ozzie Guillen to Carlton Fisk; Berra on the heels of Meacham was tagged out at home by Fisk]; Fisk tagged both runners at the plate. Don Mattingly flied out to Luis Salazar to end the inning. 0 Runs, 2 Hits, 1 Error, 1 LOB (Henderson). White Sox 3, Yankees 3.

Meacham, though, couldn't have gotten sent down to AA, at least not that year, as that was his only year as a fulltimer.

Still the best play there happend a month before, with Buck Martinez shining:

On July 9, 1985

a game between between the Blue Jays and the Mariners at Seattle. In the Mariners 3rd Phil Bradley was on second when Gorman Thomas singled. Bradley was tagged out at home (on a throw from Jesse Barfield to Buck Martinez in a collision where Martinez breaks his ankle); Buck Martinez, while sitting on the ground in agony, throws to 3B to nab Gorman Thomas. The throw is wild and goes into left field. Gorman Thomas streaks home. George Bell (LF) retrieves the ball and throws it back to Buck Martinez (who is still seated on the ground) who in turn tags Gorman Thomas. Score remains tied 0-0.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

This is out there, but it occurs to me that we CPFers had commented on at least 2 occassions -- I believe 3 -- this year, where LoDuca failed to cleanly handle a throw from his right side and put a tag on a runner at the plate. If you were perceptive enough to consider that to be a "problem" for LoDuca, maybe even a tendency, sending 2 runners home consecutively would be the ultimate exploitation of a hidden weakness.

Now, I don;t think the Dodgers did that purposefully, but ask yourself -- which of you who'd really watchged this team this year would have been surprised if not one but 2 runs scored on that play?

I wouldnta.

Good play Paul.

[Guest Edgy DC]

If that really can be considered an ongong weakness in his game, the Dodgers would be the team to know about it.

[Zvon]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Now, I don;t think the Dodgers did that purposefully, but ask yourself -- which of you who'd really watchged this team this year would have been surprised if not one but 2 runs scored on that play? I wouldnta. Good play Paul.

Good point JD.

To amend my earlier comments: Drew didnt slow down at all rounding third---from what I see in the replays.

I never even saw exactly where the third base coach was, or what he was doing as Drew rounded third- but J.D. was clearly running with his head down (he may have picked up the Kent wave in as him being waved in - they were running pretty close) and wasnt concerned with the third base coach at all.

I still think two factors make that play what it became:
1) Kents bad read on the fly and setting to tag- Green was nowhere near that ball.
2) Once Drew was in the position where LoDucas standing there in front of him with the ball, his head first slide was the worst way to approach the plate. Cletes up---or shoulder his way in and try to bowl over Paul---anything was better than head first sliding into the tag. The slide slowed him down and made it an easy tag.

[soupcan]

Edgy DC wrote: Dodger Blues self-immolations. http://www.dodgerblues.com//fanforum/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6703

Some funny lines in there inbetween the profanity.

[Elster88]

OH MY GOD

http://www.dodgerblues.com//fanforum/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6703&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=29&sid=79d7b2389325bcc2eda50af22891892a

]B-b-b-but he walks alot!

[Guest Edgy DC]

Tim Robbins. Excellent.

[RealityChuck]

Interesting article in the Times about the play. Donnelly says he was going to hold up Kent at third, but when he saw Drew right behind him, he didn't dare, since that would put two Dodgers on third.

Not the record for Dodgers on third base*, but still . . .

So he had send Kent to the plate.

*The classic old-time Dodger play where Babe Herman tripled into a double play and the Dodgers had three baserunners on third.

[smg58]

Kent's failure to score from second on a ball off the wall was an abominable mistake, but it was the lesser mistake on that play. Well hey, we get a win out of it, and all that "team of destiny" crap can now stop.

[dinosaur jesus]

That play doesn't happen if Kent reads the ball properly. The throw might not even have come through, and with the spacing between the runners, Donnelly would have been able to stop Drew. Which doesn't exactly make it Kent's fault, since misjudgments like that happen all the time, and this isn't usually the result.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I heard this play on the radio while rushing to the subway. If you get a chance, listen to Howie's exquisite call -- just as it happened in mind's eye.

[soupcan]

="Zvon"]Is that Arizonas Burns on ESPN? Whoever that is, I like his comments. He's good.

Yeah but what about how he looked?

His hair looks like Nick Nolte's from Nolte's infamous mugshot...




...and what was up with that suit? And that technicolor puke tie?

Yeesh.

[Guest cooby]

Yeah his hair was stunning. Kinda hard to stop staring at

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Byrnes was the head Jeter ballwasher and compared him to Jordan. He's a dummy.

[MFS62]

="Johnny Dickshot"]Byrnes was the head Jeter ballwasher and compared him to Jordan. He's a dummy.

Lewis Black joke reference.
Nice.

Later