Duque's Calf

[Guest vtmet]

If El' Duque can't go at all, is Humber totally out of the question? Of possible starters, he's got the best stuff, hasn't thrown many innings this season, has allowed under a .200 BAA, has about a 4:1 K:BB ratio in the minors, and I doubt that the Dodgers hitters know much about him...secret weapon, like the Dodgers used Kuo against the Mets on Sept 8th...

Maine then Glav, then Trax, then Humber?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think Humber is out of the question, for many reasons, not least of which is that he joined the team after September 1.

[Guest cleonjones11]

metirish wrote: Cleon lets not joke about a guy who went home to take care of personal stuff....we have no idea what that is....could be serious ya know.

He probably went home to rest for his start I would think. I think he should be fined...

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

This is so cool! I mean, we're just gonna SACK UP and go for it!

[Guest cleonjones11]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: This is so cool! I mean, we're just gonna SACK UP and go for it!

ROTSA RUCK

[Guest ABG]

All these leg injuries...where the fuck is Mackey Shilstone?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I tried splitting this thread and evidently goofed somehow.

Sorry about that!

Here's where we left off:

]Frayed Knot 136) Tom Hausman RP, SP, 1978-1982 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 4305 Location: Out in Leftfield Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edgy DC wrote: I think Humber is out of the question, for many reasons, not least of which is that he joined the team after September 1. Humber - or anyone from the 40-man - could be used so long as it is as a replacement for a de-activated Ducky. That said, they're not putting someone with half a season of minor league ball and 2 whole innings of major league ball to start Game 1 (and potentially Game 5) of the playoffs. _________________ She had hair like Jeannie Shrimpton back in 1965 Back to top vtmet 484) Dick Smith OF, 1B, 1963-1964 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 179 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edgy DC wrote: I think Humber is out of the question, for many reasons, not least of which is that he joined the team after September 1. I think as an injury replacement negates that...if Floyd were disabled, Milledge could have replaced him & Milledge wasn't on the 25 man as of midnight Sept 1st...I think the ruling is that on an injury replacement, the guy just had to be on the 40 man roster at the time (and we're already losing Pedro so any pitcher on the 40 man or that was on the 60 day DL at the time could replace Pedro)... Having said that, it would be pretty ballsy of Willie/Omar to put Humber in there over guys like Bannister, Oliver, Perez, Williams or even Pelfrey... Back to top metirish 6) Edgardo Alfonzo 2B, 3B,SS, 1995-2002 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 8606 Location: NY Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "I was sprinting in the outfield," Hernandez told Newsday. "And I pulled my right calf. It's not a cramp." vtmet 484) Dick Smith OF, 1B, 1963-1964 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 179 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I think Humber is out of the question, for many reasons, not least of which is that he joined the team after September 1. Humber - or anyone from the 40-man - could be used so long as it is as a replacement for a de-activated Ducky. That said, they're not putting someone with half a season of minor league ball and 2 whole innings of major league ball to start Game 1 (and potentially Game 5) of the playoffs. I believe that a pitcher would have to replace a pitcher, a position player could replace a position player...but a pitcher can't replace a position player, a position player can't replace a pitcher... IMO, if they were to use one of the youngsters that they have in limbo in St Lucie, they would pitch game 3 or 4, and move Maine or Glav up in the pecking order...I believe Willie already said that Trax is not an option tomorrow... Back to top martin 479) Rich Folkers RP, SP, 1970 Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 222 Location: jersey city. Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- won't it be maine? perez is way off schedule, he just pitched. maybe maine can go and and el duque will just switch with him and finish the series in game 4. i cant think of why it won't be maine, unless they move glavine up. Back to top vtmet 484) Dick Smith OF, 1B, 1963-1964 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 179 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- too bad that we don't have Duaner, Heilman (if he had not been just a 1 inning pitcher this season) might have been the best bet...

[Guest vtmet]

I was wondering what that debug error was all about...

[Guest vtmet]

ABG wrote: All these leg injuries...where the fuck is Mackey Shilstone?

Floyd, Pedro and El Duque are all old enough that osteoperosis is already setting in, I don't think Shilstone woulda helped...

Bannister's another story...

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm aware that Humber could be worked in (hate to see my post duplicted a half dozen times above) by sending Hernandez to the 60 day. I don't see it though.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Willets Point wrote: Dickshot predicted the Mets would win with a rotation of John Maine, Mike Pelfrey, Phil Humber, Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell. Let's hope he's on to something.

Seriously: How cool would that be? And not that farfetched, which is why (along with being a retarded optimist) the Pedro injury doesn't worry me too much either.

As long as the lineup is healthy & the bullpen is solid, if we make the plays in the field and limit the bad guys to 3 or 4 runs over 6, we'll win. We've done it like that all year.

Offense offense offense.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm just proud as punch of the extra depth (a) we have and ( we've used and prepared for this moment.

Yeah, it may not work, but life is fraught with peril. When you think of the number-five starters we trotted out the last few years, numbers 5-9 this year have just beeen huhawesome.

Yeah, stakes are higher, risk is greater. But the game is the same... when we hit, we win. Worked most of the summer, didn't it?

[metirish]

From keith Law ...scouts.inc

] The offensive side of the Mets' roster leans heavily to the left, yet the Dodgers are carrying only one reliever who's effective against left-handed hitters in specialist Joe Beimel. Mark Hendrickson is in the bullpen as well, but he gave up a .370 OBP to left-handed hitters and is best suited for long relief. So expect the Mets' left-handed hitters to go to town when Hong-Chih Kuo's not pitching.

[patchyfogg]

OK, OK, this is all my fault. I was able to book Adam Rubin for tonight's show "unless something happens at the Workout." "What could possibly happen?" says I.

He just called me as I was typing this. He's still at the Stadium, nobody much has any idea what's going on and we'll have him on tonight at some point.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Mets record in 2006 in games started by Pedro Martinez (11-12) and Orlando Hernandez (11-9): 22-21 (.512)

Mets record in 2006 in games started by Steve Trachsel (20-10), Tom Glavine (24-8) and John Maine (10-5): 54-23 (.701)


I don't think the Mets should throw in the towel just yet.

[soupcan]

="Yancy Street Gang"]Mets record in 2006 in games started by Pedro Martinez (11-12) and Orlando Hernandez (11-9): 22-21 (.512) Mets record in 2006 in games started by Steve Trachsel (20-10), Tom Glavine (24-8) and John Maine (10-5): 54-23 (.701)

This is my new mantra.

[seawolf17]

I have plenty of confidence in Maine. Honestly, I have confidence in Oliver Perez; I think there are lot worse options out there. I wouldn't mind giving him a go if the need arose.

[soupcan]

Having Oliver Perez start a postseason game would seriously bum me out.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

soupcan wrote: Having Oliver Perez start a postseason game would seriously bum me out.

I agree. He seems to pitch well once every six or seven starts. I'd rather see Williams or Bannister.

[metirish]

It would have to be Williams then, when did Bannister last pitch for the mets?

[soupcan]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Williams get a start. He pitched very well.

[Guest vtmet]

Bannister pitched an inning on Sept 27th (only appearance since Sept 10th)...however, with the fragility of our starters, I would imagine that he's been having quite a few side sessions under Peterson's, Conte's, Wait's or Neiman's guidance...I don't think he was shipped out to St Lucie for the night life...as bad of control that Bannister showed this season, he did have good BAA against RH batters and on the road (true, very limited numbers but one can only hope that he can come through if need be)...I wouldn't really want to have a lefty with control issues face the Dodgers or the Cards...

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Williams had only one bad outing as a Met. Just one. And what -- 3 or 4 very good ones.

I'm not the biggest Bannister believer here by a long shot. I would hope they try several others before him.

[metirish]

With Williams being a leftie does that come into the thought process?

[Guest Rotblatt]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Mets record in 2006 in games started by Pedro Martinez (11-12) and Orlando Hernandez (11-9): 22-21 (.512) Mets record in 2006 in games started by Steve Trachsel (20-10), Tom Glavine (24-8) and John Maine (10-5): 54-23 (.701) I don't think the Mets should throw in the towel just yet.

I could kiss you, Yance.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

When I decided to look into those numbers, I didn't anticipate that they'd look as good as they do.

And no kisses necessary. I'll settle for a warm handshake.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

John Maine has balls.

John Maine is unstoppable.

Unsinkable.

He will lead us to the promised land.

[Guest vtmet]

metirish wrote: With Williams being a leftie does that come into the thought process?

I don't know if it's just because he's a lefty...he's got a .283 BAA vs lefties..and a .335 BAA vs righties...but the Dodgers have been a better team at hitting lefties than they have at hitting righties...

[Guest vtmet]

OlerudOwned wrote: John Maine has balls. John Maine is unstoppable. Unsinkable. He will lead us to the promised land.

Maine's main problem has been the HR ball, however:
the Dodgers don't hit alot of HRs (26th in MLB in HRs this season) &
Shea/Dodger Stadium are not great parks for HR hitters...

so hopefully, he'll be fine...

[Guest cooby]

Do we even know yet if Hernandez is really hurt?