All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread

[nymr83]

i agree that in a blowout the guys who get hits in mopup time deserve little or no credit.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

About a third of the way through, the Player of the Month race for June is very tight. The Pitcher of the Month race is surprisingly non-competitive, at least for the moment, with a somewhat unlikely leader.

For the Player of the Year race, David Wright is in the lead, and looking to win back-to-back titles, but Beltran, Delgado, Glavine, and Martinez are all strong contenders.

Month-to-date totals for June 2006
Through game of June 11, 2006

Rank	Name	Points
1	David Wright	11.64
2	Carlos Beltran	11.61
3	Alay Soler	10.94
4	Carlos Delgado	8.13
5	Lastings Milledge	7.31
6	Orlando Hernandez	6.02
7	Jos� Valentin	4.44
8	Jos� Reyes	4.14
9	Endy Chavez	3.99
10	Tom Glavine	3.73
11	Steve Trachsel	3.03
12	Chris Woodward	2.98
13	Chad Bradford	2.43
14	Pedro Martinez	2.31
15	Paul Lo Duca	2.10
16	Billy Wagner	1.92
17	Aaron Heilman	1.91
18	Cliff Floyd	1.20
19	Duaner Sanchez	1.04
20	Pedro Feliciano	1.02
21	Darren Oliver	0.66
22	Julio Franco	0.38
23	Eli Marrero	0.22
24	Heath Bell	0.18
25	Ramon Castro	0.17

Season-to-date totals for 2006
Through game of June 11, 2006

Rank	Name	Points
1	David Wright	50.16
2	Carlos Beltran	47.09
3	Carlos Delgado	45.29
4	Tom Glavine	44.23
5	Pedro Martinez	42.28
6	Jos� Reyes	34.75
7	Xavier Nady	24.68
8	Paul Lo Duca	22.99
9	Steve Trachsel	20.69
10	Duaner Sanchez	18.79
11	Cliff Floyd	17.88
12	Jos� Valentin	17.54
13	Billy Wagner	16.89
14	Aaron Heilman	13.95
15	Endy Chavez	13.80
16	Alay Soler	13.63
17	Darren Oliver	13.03
18	Brian Bannister	12.69
19	Kaz Matsui	7.97
20	Lastings Milledge	7.75
21	Chris Woodward	7.68
22	Orlando Hernandez	7.67
23	Pedro Feliciano	7.61
24	Chad Bradford	6.83
25	Ramon Castro	6.26
26	Jorge Julio	5.37
27	Julio Franco	5.13
28	Victor Zambrano	4.66
29	Jeremi Gonzalez	3.25
30	Heath Bell	2.76
31	John Maine	0.76
32	Anderson Hernandez	0.57
33	Victor Diaz	0.32
34	Bartolome Fortunato	0.28
35	Eli Marrero	0.22
36	Jos� Lima	0.12

[Elster88]

Two things stick out from yesterday's game that may be difficult to read in a box score:

David Wright made a huge play in the ninth. If you didn't see it in the highlights, check it out on nymets.com. Runner on first, made a diving stop down the line. That would've been a sure double to put runners on second and third.. Even though it may not have played out the same way if he hadn't made the play, the next batter up got a hit which would've tied it.

Bradford came into a tie game with the bases loaded and one out, and did not allow a runner to score. (For the year, he has now allowed one inherited runner to score out of 21.)

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Wright's play was the number one Web Gem on ESPN last night.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

It may very well have saved the game for the Mets.

He doesn't make the play, there's nobody out and the tying run in scoring position.

Instead, there's two out and nobody on.

[Guest GYC]

People are vastly underrating Bradford's performance. Some aren't even giving him points. It was one of the major turning points of the game.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

In a game like this one, there simply isn't enough beer to go around.

I liked Willets' comment from a few weeks ago - something along the lines that he'd like to spray everyone with a Schaefer sprinkler.

[Elster88]

A theory:

In a game like yesterday's the hitting performances should be scored lower than similar performaces would be, but the good pitching performances of Bradford, and Wagner should actually be OVERscored to comparable performances, because they held on to close leads in a game where both teams were popping the ball out of the yard. (I don't include Feliciano as one that should be "overscored" because he had a 4 run lead to work with.)

'Course maybe only Bradford b/c Wagner's ass was saved by Mr. Wright.

[nymr83]

has anyone been keeping poster-by-poster voting totals?

[Elster88]

I like Cameron.

[Guest GYC]

Nymr83 wrote: has anyone been keeping poster-by-poster voting totals?

I've kept my own, pathetically.

[nymr83]

Elster88 wrote: I like Cameron.

huh?

]I've kept my own, pathetically.

how does it compare to the totals?

[Guest GYC]

This is not including last night's game.
Wright 47.656
Beltran 43.407
Delgado 40.820
Martinez 40.970
Reyes 38.810
Glavine 39.760
Nady 25.690
Sanchez 24.160
Lo Duca 22.330
Wagner 18.650
Trachsel 19.000
Floyd 16.076
Valentin 15.930
Heilman 15.880
Soler 13.690
Oliver 13.400
Chavez 11.360
Feliciano 7.800
Bradford 7.440
Matsui 8.560
Bannister 8.540
Milledge 8.070
Woodward 7.990
O. Hernandez 6.500
Castro 6.370
Franco 5.210
Julio 4.920
Zambrano 4.001
Bell 3.100
Gonzalez 1.500
Fortunato 1.500
Diaz 0.750
Marrero 0.600
A. Hernandez 0.580

[metsmarathon]

interesting... for a team leading the league in ERA, and third in runs scored, you've got 57% of the points going to the hitters.

as, i think, does the overall voting. (i did the math earlier, but forget the numbers). i also question wether or not pedro or glavine should be higher.

i think i've got only about a 52-48 split going to the hitters myself.
my points leaders are pedro in 3rd place, with 58 points, and glavine and beltran tied just ahead of him with 59 points.

its not that i'm trying to balance things, its just hte way things worked out, really. but it seems to me to make a tad more sense than for pedro and glavine to be only the 4th and 5th top-rated mets...

and if you want pathetic, i'll figure a way to post the THREE-PLUS MEGABYTE excel spreadsheet that i'm using to tally my voting per game, and for the season.

[Guest GYC]

metsmarathon wrote: interesting... for a team leading the league in ERA, and third in runs scored, you've got 57% of the points going to the hitters. as, i think, does the overall voting. (i did the math earlier, but forget the numbers). i also question wether or not pedro or glavine should be higher. i think i've got only about a 52-48 split going to the hitters myself. my points leaders are pedro in 3rd place, with 58 points, and glavine and beltran tied just ahead of him with 59 points. its not that i'm trying to balance things, its just hte way things worked out, really. but it seems to me to make a tad more sense than for pedro and glavine to be only the 4th and 5th top-rated mets... and if you want pathetic, i'll figure a way to post the THREE-PLUS MEGABYTE excel spreadsheet that i'm using to tally my voting per game, and for the season.

Wow. Mine is only around 225 KB. I split the season up into 15 sections of 10 games and 1 of 12, and keep the stats updated for each section there, as well as each month, and 1 sheet for the total-season on going, and then another for a game-by-game. At the end of every month, I compare my points per plate appearance/inning pitched to those of CPF to see who I favor and who I disfavor (is that a word?).

I didn't think of it soon enough, but ideas for next year, I want to tally up points for players in losses and in wins, plus stats when they get the points, etc.

[nymr83]

are all of this year's schaeffer threads around somewhere or just the recent ones?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Nymr83 wrote: are all of this year's schaeffer threads around somewhere or just the recent ones?

Older ones are in the offline archives.

You can also see the game by game results, but not the individual votes, here.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

GYC wrote: I didn't think of it soon enough, but ideas for next year, I want to tally up points for players in losses and in wins, plus stats when they get the points, etc.

You can do all that and more here.

[Guest GYC]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="GYC"] I didn't think of it soon enough, but ideas for next year, I want to tally up points for players in losses and in wins, plus stats when they get the points, etc. You can do all that and more here.

It's more of an issue of time to do it rather than availability of info. I could do it next Tuesday, but it's just so much work.

[Elster88]

I was going to do it, but it's really only interesting for the first month or so. Then it's tedious.

[metsmarathon]

tedious...

you think THIS, or THIS is tedious?

phooey!

(if those links work, they show off my uberspreadsheet, with all the weightings, and most of the math built in for a 162 game season. unfortunately, i've no way to automate the whole process, so inputting all the info from the box scores, and then doing the actual point assignments etc takes some grunt work. i think if i ever learn MS Access, i'd be able to do everything i could possibly want to in a schaeffer-voting spreadsheet.)

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Once again, there's no need to input from the box scores. It's all in the link I posted on the previous page.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Click on the Raw Data link. With basic spreadsheet skills, you can determine which players got how many points in wins, in losses, at Shea, on the road, against the Brewers, in Florida, even on weekends. How many points pitchers get in games they lose. How many times a player gets points when he doesn't get a base hit.

You can analyze how points are distributed in close games, lopsided wins, lopsided losses, etc.

The Schaefer points, the game information, and the box score data are all available and can be merged, mixed, and matched as you see fit. All in conveniently comma-separated values that can be pasted directly from the page into Excel.

[Guest GYC]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Click on the Raw Data link. With basic spreadsheet skills, you can determine which players got how many points in wins, in losses, at Shea, on the road, against the Brewers, in Florida, even on weekends. How many points pitchers get in games they lose. How many times a player gets points when he doesn't get a base hit. You can analyze how points are distributed in close games, lopsided wins, lopsided losses, etc. The Schaefer points, the game information, and the box score data are all available and can be merged, mixed, and matched as you see fit. All in conveniently comma-separated values that can be pasted directly from the page into Excel.

I'm talking more about personal points rather than CPF, although that just gave me plenty more ideas on how to further advance my spreadsheet.

[Elster88]

I tried it last year GYC. It gets very boring, very quickly. Good luck to you.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I realize you were talking about personal points, but you can still merge your info with all of the data on that page. It would save you a lot of typing.

[metsmarathon]

unfortunately, i wasn't thinking too much about future upgradeability in building my own spreadsheet. right now, it would be a mother to actually extract how the scoring is doled out in given games, who's gotten screwed the most by my scoring method, who's benefitted most from my rounding up, and who's had the most negative contribution to the season.

next season, i'll prolly build a better spreadsheet.

unfortunately, yancy, the data you have on that page is merely a subset of the data i input in my spreadsheet. i also take inherited runners, gidps, fielding thingies, and severity of saves/holds, and prolly something else that i'm forgetting about.

i should also add in a bonus and demerit column, just for instances like last night when milledge slowed himself into an out at the plate, or for wright's outstanding DP. but that's for next year.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Wow.

[metsmarathon]

i know. i'm a loser.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Looser





In your system, would Milledge's nice diving catch in the 9th make up for his malaise on the basepaths?