The Worst Franchise for Shortstops

[MFS62]

Is not the Mets, as someone posted a while ago.

And other interesting stuff:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-all-time-all-franchise-all-star-team/

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[Guest Edgy DC]

Some goofy stuff: The Yanks didn't "produce" Rickey Henderson, though they did move him to center. Jack Clark is listed twice for the Cards.

[MFS62]

Edgy DC wrote: Some goofy stuff: Jack Clark is listed twice for the Cards.

So is Stan Musial, in left field and first base.
I hope he separated out Stan's production at each position for his analysis.

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[nymr83]

The arbitrary setting of who "qualifies" and then taking the stats as a total rather than an average per game makes the whole thing meaningless in my eyes. Either count the club's entire history at the position or average the best years. If you make the cutoff "80" a team with two guys worth "81" looks better than a team with an "85" and two "79's"

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, Musial is part of the Cards' continuum at two positions.

[nymr83]

i can only hope his total stats werent counted at each...

[Guest Edgy DC]

I've got to say I love his coining of the term "Casablanca Effect," though I don't quite think the film lives up to it's reputation.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Edgy DC wrote: Some goofy stuff: The Yanks didn't "produce" Rickey Henderson, though they did move him to center. Jack Clark is listed twice for the Cards.

Does this article claim to be about "producing" players? The Sox didn't produce Manny, the Giants didn't produce Bonds, the Yankees didn't produce Ruth. I'm not sure that anyone, other than their mothers, gets full credit for producing ballplayers, anyway.

Further, while the guy's strict scientific methodology ("I mostly just eyeballed it") in choosing each franchise's lowlights impressed me, U.L. Washington did turn in a 106 OPS+ in 1982 as the Royals' regular shortstop. Jay Bell (in the season he cites) turned in a 114 OPS+. When I claimed that the Mets's shortstopping might be the worst for any franchise ever, my standard was that they were (and still are, AFAIK) the only franchise never to have a 100 or more OPS+ from a regular shortstop, including Jose Reyes. So forgive me if I don't feel squelched yet.

[MFS62]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: So forgive me if I don't feel squelched yet.

Wasn't trying to squelch you. I titled the thread that way because of all the discussion we had about that post. (And I honestly forgot who had started it)

Just trying for a "grabber" title. No offense intended.

EDIT: Who rescued you?

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[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

MFS62 wrote: No offense intended.

None taken.

A fella's got to defend himself, whether against being misunderstood or against being held prisoner in a 80 degree weather and balmy breezes. I just broke out and escaped to NYC where I can have the 15 degree weather I so richly deserve.

[MFS62]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: I just broke out and escaped to NYC where I can have the 15 degree weather I so richly deserve.

Last picture we saw, you were nekked.
Hope you didn't have a strong tail wind.

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