Twenty Years

[soupcan]

Bruce Berenyi's gay?

When did that happen?

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Some would argue that it is simply something he was born with.

I remember articles being posted previously about Berenyi playing softball in a league for gays somewhere in Florida.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I found the previous discussion concerning Berenyi's sexual preference in the Rico Brogna Good Fit thread. Bottom of the tenth page and top of the eleventh page.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

Dunno if this has been posted, but MLB is releasing Mets 1986 DVD set, a la the 2004 Red Sox, or the 1990s Yankees set.



October of 1986--for New York Mets fans, it was an unprecedented, unparalleled rollercoaster of emotions stretching from the gripping National League Championship Series to the unfathomable World Series against the Boston Red Sox. A time when plays, players--Knight, Carter, Dykstra, and Mookie--and announcers’ words were forever etched in time, “...it’s a slow roller to first...”

All the twists, turns, failings and redemptions of the 1986 World Series are preserved forever with this remarkable, one-of-a-kind DVD collection. Eight complete game broadcasts--more than 20 hours of the magic of the AMAZIN’ METS championship team are included. From the marathon 16-inning, pennant-clinching victory in Houston to the gutsy World Series games victories in Fenway Park, right through to the miraculous Game 6...and to the team’s last valiant, fantastic comeback in Game 7--all the plays, the dramatic moments, and joy of the Mets remarkable 1986 Fall Classic are here.

1986 World Series Clubhouse Victory Celebration; Official Trophy Presentation; Post-game interviews; 1987 Ring Ceremony and Championship Banner Unveiling; Exclusive Interviews - Mookie Wilson, Gary Carter, Ray Knight, Keith Hernandez, Kevin Mitchell, Lenny Dykstra, Bill Buckner, Bill Robinson; Special Game Footage - Mets Clinching National League Eastern Division, Dykstra’s game-winning, walk-off homer NLCS Game 3, Carter’s game-winner NLCS Game 5

[Guest Edgy DC]

Surely Super-Collossal Santana will kill us all.

[Guest mlbaseballtalk]

="Spacemans Bong"]Dunno if this has been posted, but MLB is releasing Mets 1986 DVD set, a la the 2004 Red Sox, or the 1990s Yankees set. October of 1986--for New York Mets fans, it was an unprecedented, unparalleled rollercoaster of emotions stretching from the gripping National League Championship Series to the unfathomable World Series against the Boston Red Sox. A time when plays, players--Knight, Carter, Dykstra, and Mookie--and announcers’ words were forever etched in time, “...it’s a slow roller to first...” All the twists, turns, failings and redemptions of the 1986 World Series are preserved forever with this remarkable, one-of-a-kind DVD collection. Eight complete game broadcasts--more than 20 hours of the magic of the AMAZIN’ METS championship team are included. From the marathon 16-inning, pennant-clinching victory in Houston to the gutsy World Series games victories in Fenway Park, right through to the miraculous Game 6...and to the team’s last valiant, fantastic comeback in Game 7--all the plays, the dramatic moments, and joy of the Mets remarkable 1986 Fall Classic are here. 1986 World Series Clubhouse Victory Celebration; Official Trophy Presentation; Post-game interviews; 1987 Ring Ceremony and Championship Banner Unveiling; Exclusive Interviews - Mookie Wilson, Gary Carter, Ray Knight, Keith Hernandez, Kevin Mitchell, Lenny Dykstra, Bill Buckner, Bill Robinson; Special Game Footage - Mets Clinching National League Eastern Division, Dykstra’s game-winning, walk-off homer NLCS Game 3, Carter’s game-winner NLCS Game 5

To quote WWF's Stone Cold Steve Austin: "OH HELL YEAH!"

Thats obviously all 7 WS games and Game 6 of the NLCS, too bad not the full NLCS, that ranks as an top 5 LCS. Hopefully it includes the 86 WS Highlight film, I think NBC also produced one as well

[Guest Edgy DC]

Edgy DC Site Admin Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 6714 Location: DC Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:30 pm	Post subject: 20th Anniversary of 1986 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can't find the new thread. The Mets announced during our blackout that there will be events scheduled throughout the year, including a reunion of the team schdeduled for August 19th. Lee Mazzilli and the Yankees are scheduled to be in Boston that day and Roger McDowell and the Braves are in Miami. Others --- Santana, Mitchell, Carter, f'rinstance --- will likely have minor league managing to do. Here's to a dozen guys getting a hall pass for a day. _________________ K
Zvon 333) Tom Hall RP, SP, 1975-1976 Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 1686 Location: New Joysey Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:39 pm	Post subject: Re: 20th Anniversary of 1986 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ="Edgy DC"]I can't find the new thread. The Mets announced during our blackout that there will be events scheduled throughout the year, including a reunion of the team schdeduled for August 19th. Lee Mazzilli and the Yankees are scheduled to be in Boston that day and Roger McDowell and the Braves are in Miami. Others --- Santana, Mitchell, Carter, f'rinstance --- will likely have minor league managing to do. Here's to a dozen guys getting a hall pass for a day. I hear ya. Carter, McDowell, Mitchell, Santana- they really should be there. _________________ "He's afraid of chickens.....and the Pope's hat-- but mainly because he thinks there's a chicken under it." Earl Hickey
Edgy DC Site Admin Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 6714 Location: DC Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:12 pm	Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I meant, duh, that I can't find the old thread. I'm less concerned with guys getting days off than with the prospect of boobirds laying into Strawgoody --- or either or both of them staying away to avoid such a scene --- overshadowing much of the ceremony. _________________ K
metirish 88) Randy Myers RP, 1985-1989 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 5279 Location: NY Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:10 pm	Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Newsday.... ]Mets saluting '86 champs BY DAVID LENNON STAFF WRITER February 7, 2006 The Mets will celebrate the 20th anniversary of their 1986 world championship with a series of events this season, culminating with an on-field reunion before the Aug. 19 game against the Rockies. The Mets have invited all the players from the '86 team back to Shea, along with general manager Frank Cashen and manager Davey Johnson, to be part of the Aug. 19 festivities. The club also will offer a special six-game '86 Pack, which begins May 21 against the Yankees, and tickets for the pack are $92 per seat.
Zvon 333) Tom Hall RP, SP, 1975-1976 Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 1686 Location: New Joysey Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:36 pm	Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ="Edgy DC"]I meant, duh, that I can't find the old thread. I'm less concerned with guys getting days off than with the prospect of boobirds laying into Strawgoody --- or either or both of them staying away to avoid such a scene --- overshadowing much of the ceremony. Dont you think fans will be nice, for the most part? I mean, its supposed to be about the 86 team. Ill really be surprized if they dont attend. _________________ "He's afraid of chickens.....and the Pope's hat-- but mainly because he thinks there's a chicken under it." Earl Hickey
Yancy Street Gang 16) Mookie Wilson OF, 1980-1989 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 7758 Location: The Baxter Building Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:04 am	Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The original thread..
sharpie 186) Vince Coleman LF, CF, 1991-1993 Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 3317 Location: Brooklyn Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:10 am	Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tickets for the "'86 Pack" should be $86, not $92.
Edgy DC Site Admin Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 6714 Location: DC Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:17 am	Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Yancy. Any objections to me putting these posts in that thread? Sharpie, marketing genius. _________________ K
Yancy Street Gang 16) Mookie Wilson OF, 1980-1989 Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 7758 Location: The Baxter Building Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:31 am	Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But the evil Wilpons have to squeeze that extra $6 out of the fans. No objections on my part. Merging the threads makes sense to me.

[Guest sharpie]

Wouldn't be too many folks taking advantage of the "'92 Pack." It would be an excuse to bring back Daryl Boston, Joe Vitko and Lee Guetterman.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And Vince Coleman. And Bobby Bonilla. And Bret Saberhagen.

That was supposed to be a team worth celebrating. At least it was immortalized in a book.

[Guest sharpie]

Tickets will cost $86.

[Elster88]

STRAWBERRY TO SKIP '86 REUNION

[Benjamin Grimm]

]Strawberry, the Mets' all-time leader in homers (252) and RBIs (733), played for the Mets from 1983-90. He recently remarried and is living in Missouri.

He lives in Missouri??? Poor guy. First jail, and now Missouri?

]Strawberry won't be the only high-profile name missing from the celebration. Staff ace Dwight Gooden is serving time in a Florida prison for parole violation. Manager Davey Johnson has a previous commitment, as does 1986 World Series MVP Ray Knight and pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre. Lee Mazzilli and Roger McDowell are coaches with the Yankees and Braves and unable to attend.

So iwho's gonna be there? Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling?

If Mookie cancels, they might as well call the whole thing off.

[Guest Edgy DC]

They've had about 17 years to plan this. You'd figure Ray Knight could clear some time between caddying.

Ray's a heart attack survivor, and he spends his public interest time touring around and speaking about cardio health issues. You'd figure he'd see a good chance to publicize his efforts.

[stevejrogers]

No kidding, lets see

Gooden in jail
Darling check
Ojeda pissed at the organization (is he still currently pissed?)
Augilera ???
Fernandez Probably will be there since he's going to be in White Plains for a card show that weekend

Orosco ???
McDowell in Atlanta
Sisk Do we WANT Sisk there?
Niemann Is he still in the organization?

Carter in St. Luice
Hearn ???
Lyons Probably will be there since he's going to be in White Plains for a card show that weekend, why I don't know because he was riding the Tidewater express for most of the year
Gibbons Managing in Toronto

Hernandez check
Backman Probably will be there since he's going to be in White Plains for a card show that weekend
Santana ???
Knight Prior comittment? Why?
Elster ??? (not the CPF's Elster)
Johnson In the organization so I'm sure he'll be there
Teufel ???
Mazzilli Yankees

Strawberry As noted will not be there
Dysktra ???
Wilson In Brooklyn so probably
Mitchell ???
Heep ???

Davey and Mel no and no
Buddy ??? Most likely though but anyone know what the Ducks schedule is?
Vern Hoschiet ??? Probably not well enough to make the trip in
Greg Pavlick ???
Bill Robinson ???

[Benjamin Grimm]

]Decades apart, Mets clubs connected 08/18/2006 2:00 PM ET By Marty Noble / MLB.com NEW YORK -- In 1986, Arizona was home to Paul Lo Duca and snakes, but not to uppercase Diamondbacks. Lo Duca could have followed any one of 26 big-league teams back then. He chose to follow the Mets and suffer the slings and arrows of friends who considered him a front-runner. The baseball roots of Roberto Hernandez were decidedly blue and orange, too. He knew the Mets and embraced them, recognizing something special in Mookie Wilson six summers earlier. And he had seen Keith Hernandez and Gary Carter come to Flushing, witnessed the grand emergence of Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry. He was there, in the city, when the Mets began their remarkable 1986 season. But his own baseball interfered with watching that summer; the Angels drafted him and sent him to Salem, Ore. Outside Boston, a 20-year-old Tom Glavine was more attuned to the developments of the Boston Fens. "I knew the Mets were good," he said. "But I was New England." No television cable stretched from Queens to Arizona, Oregon or Massachusetts in those days. The respective distances separating Lo Duca and Hernandez from their baseball passions was something akin to what separated the first-place Mets from the rest of the National League East in 1986. "We know what we read, mostly," Lo Duca said. And TV or no TV, Glavine remained Mets-apathetic. The three veteran Mets, like most of their current colleagues, have little sense of all that happened 20 years ago in the ballpark they inhabit. Of course, they all know how Billy Buckner became Bill "E" Buckner. Some know about the 16-inning playoff game in the Dome and Mike "Dread" Scott. One or two even know that Kevin Mitchell, already a chuck of a man in 1986, played shortstop on occasion and that nails was an adjective -- it meant good in '86 Mets jargon -- before it became a proper-noun nickname. "Most of us were too young then to remember anything now," the 30-year-old Chris Woodward said. "Or they just didn't care." Then he feigned more ignorance. "Were they any good?" It is to that team of 20 years past that the current Mets are most often compared in these summer days -- not because the '06 edition has a Doc or a Darryl, a Nails or a Knight, but because the current Mets have spent most of the season bullying the National League as the '86 club did. So many of the achievements of the current team have parallels to accomplishments of the 1986 team -- biggest division lead after so many games, best road trip since, most games over .500 since, et al -- that comparisons are inevitable. Even the three-game glitch in Philadelphia this week could be linked to a four-game misstep in mid-August '86. Most players hate most comparisons, even when the evaluations are flattering. These first-place Mets are no different. But the comparisons and their limited knowledge of the franchise's second set of World Series champions occasionally prompt intrigue and wonder. "I know we had some pretty good teams in Atlanta," Glavine said one day in May, "and we never won 108 games." "Did the really have as much fun as they seemed to?" Aaron Heilman asked recently. "You think their pitching was that much better than ours?" Billy Wagner wondered. Some of their questions may be answered on Saturday when the '86 team reunites and is celebrated on the Shea diamond, where it piled on Jesse Orosco 20 years ago on Oct. 27. They won't wonder about Strawberry too much -- they saw him in March in Port St. Luice, Fla., and enjoyed his presence. But all will undoubtedly be touched by the warm reception Straw is certain to receive. The love-hate of '86 is love-love now. Shea Stadium, running out of future, loves its past. Lenny Dykstra is also a curiosity, even to those who know him well. Does he still chew? Does he still walk that way? How has a man whose uniform was always so dirty made millions keeping other peoples' cars clean? Hernandez and Ron Darling are so visible in their new roles as SNY commentators that the mystique that might have existed about them won't be there. The same holds true for Carter and Howard Johnson, who have been Spring Training fixtures the last few years. Sid Fernandez was there in March, too. But Wilson hasn't been around much. And everyone loves Mookie. They'll all replay his ground ball, wonder if he would have beaten Buckner to the base and whether he could outrun Jose Reyes even now. He looks as trim as ever. There is a mystique about Mitchell, who may not be so trim. He was gone after '86 after one season of production and promise, to become something no Mets player ever has been, an MVP. Mitch was a rookie in '86, but he, like Dykstra, had clubhouse impact, adding to the vernacular and the bully image the Mets loved. "The way Mitch used to talk," a former teammate said, "he wasn't a good bet to be alive for the 20th anniversary. Those not there will be conspicuously absent -- Ray Knight, the World Series MVP, manager Davey Johnson and, of course, Gooden. The Mets of '06 and '86 will lament the troubled turns his life has taken. "I'd like to know he's all right," said Wagner, briefly Gooden's teammate with the Astros in 2000. Lee Mazzilli, twice a Met, is now more a Yankee than a former Met. Roger McDowell is the Braves' pitching coach. He and his good friend, the Upside Down Man, can't make it. His other good friend, Bobby Ojeda -- the Mets' leading winner 20 years ago -- will be there. Draw a parallel between Bobby O, with his Red Sox past and offspeed left-handed stuff, and Glavine. There are no parallels that can be drawn to Sid Fernandez, not as a pitcher. He had a unique on-mound manner and delivery. * * * The '86 Mets were, and remain, everything the current Mets want to become -- a team of ongoing distinction. They have their place in New York's grand and rich baseball history because they won and because they were, as current manager Willie Randolph recalls, "pretty wild -- a bunch of renegades who enjoyed themselves and could play." This Mets manager, like Davey Johnson a former second baseman with a championship resume, watched Johnson's Mets. "I can't be sure of how they behaved. You hear so much," he said. "I'm sure how they played -- with attitude. "People said they were arrogant -- nothing wrong with that," he added. "They earned the right to be anything they wanted. They weren't real popular in the game, you'd hear people say. "I like my teams to have swagger. They cut themselves a nice, little niche. They wanted to roll over you and be remembered for it. That probably helped them get through the long season focused." Randolph and Howard Johnson were chatting on the field in March when the topic turned to the '86 Mets. "We were a pretty good team late," Johnson recalled. "We knew how to beat a bullpen. We had great players, and we had character." Darling stood nearby innocently eavesdropping before he footnoted Johnson's assessment. "That team did its best work late," he said. "We had character and characters."

[Frayed Knot]

]One or two even know that ... that nails was an adjective -- it meant good in '86 Mets jargon -- before it became a proper-noun nickname.

I always learned it this way too but probably because I learned it from reading Marty Noble; that Dykstra's nickname orignially grew out of his odd/creative vocabulary. He was forever using the word 'Nails' as an adjective: a clutch hit was 'Nails', a good pizza was 'Nails', a good-looking chick in the stands was described as 'Nails'.
That the 'Nails' name also fit the more commonly assumed "tough as nails" source is probably the main reason it caught on with the general public, but Noble is the only one I read who sticks to his guns on this version of the source.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I didn't know about this rift, but apparently it's been healed:

BEN SHPIGEL in the New York Tiimes wrote: In about three months, Darryl Strawberry has gone from wanting no part of the Mets to throwing out the first pitch for Game 1 of the National League Championship Series. Strawberry had a recent dispute over money with the team that caused him to initially turn down the Mets’ invitation to be part of their August celebration honoring the 1986 World Series-winning team. But he resolved the issue and said he was excited about being part of the organization again. “It means a great deal to me, to really tie the bond here, because it was very special for me to play here and win the rookie of the year and win a championship in ’86,” Strawberry said. “You know, the great years that we all had here, the bond that I have that’s really starting to develop back with this organization, it means to me more than anybody could imagine.”