Cameron/Beltran

[patchyfogg]

Does anyone else remember a collision where someone had to hold an unconscious Lee Mazzilli's tongue so that he wouldn't "swallow it." Or, was I just dreaming?

[Guest ABG]

I hope it happened, cuz that's one helluva weird dream.

[soupcan]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: They didn't by chance ask him why he changed his uni number?

Sorry pal, if they did I didn't hear it.

[Frayed Knot]

Patchy: see the 'Way-Back' thread for the Mazzilli collision, although I don't know if that's the same one you're thinking of (but how many could Maz have had?).


The biggest piece of information from the Stork interview is that Sid Rosenberg is the dumbest creature that still walks upright and has opposable thumbs (but you likely already knew that).
"So George, you're from Utah, are you a Mormon?"
GT: No
"oh, so you like drink and stuff?"

[Guest Edgy DC]

...dumbest creature that still walks upright and has opposable thumbs (but you likely already knew that).

Whoah.

[metirish]

Sidiot really does boggle the mind, and it gets worse when football season starts, he's a huge Giants fan and resident "expert" on all things Giants for the FAN.

[Guest cooby]

Anyone else remember the picture of George Theodore in his hospital bed, dressed in a hospital gown, his leg in traction, with a big grin on his face? I think he was doing a crossword puzzle.

What a great guy, now he is memorable

[patchyfogg]

]"So George, you're from Utah, are you a Mormon?" GT: No "oh, so you like drink and stuff?"

Replace "Mormon" with some other religions (and change around Utah, too), and you got fire in a crowded theater stuff. But, once again, Sid skates.

[Guest cleonjones11]

Contrary to what I've seen George Theodore collided with Dave Schenck...not Don hahn. The batter was Ralph Garr.

We will hear at some point that Cameron is not a "natural" right fielder and cammy may say CF or nothing...Get well soon.

Anyone think Beltran has the look of a man who is not real pleased or comfortable as a Met?

[Guest cleonjones11]

Contrary to what I've seen George Theodore collided with Dave Schenck...not Don hahn. The batter was Ralph Garr.

We will hear at some point that Cameron is not a "natural" right fielder and cammy may say CF or nothing...Get well soon.

Anyone think Beltran has the look of a man who is not real pleased or comfortable as a Met?

[metirish]

Cameron is having surgery right now , 7PM local time in California, all the best Mike.

[Frayed Knot]

"Contrary to what I've seen George Theodore collided with Dave Schenck...not Don hahn. The batter was Ralph Garr."

You're right about the batter, but it was Hahn, not Schneck.


"We will hear at some point that Cameron is not a "natural" right fielder and cammy may say CF or nothing.."

I doubt it. Collisions happen, and this one wasn't caused by anyone being out of position.


"Anyone think Beltran has the look of a man who is not real pleased or comfortable as a Met?"

No

[soupcan]

cleonjones11 wrote: Anyone think Beltran has the look of a man who is not real pleased or comfortable as a Met?

Not comfortable how? Because he's having a subpar year? Because he doesn't 'look' happy, pleased or relaxed?

If he was hitting well and still had the same expressions would you still say that he was uncomfortable?

He's not uncomfortable 'as a Met', he's been hurt and was probably putting a lot of pressure on himself. I'm sure this guy will get back to being the player we thought we were getting, if not before this season ends then next year for certain.

Now - about that friggin' mole on his face...

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

It was Don Hahn.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think Beltran's concussion has added an uncomfortable look to him.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

It certainly wouldn't add to his comfort level.

[Centerfield]

They say Carlos is on his way to the team hotel. No word on when we can expect him back.

The fact that they haven't given us a more solid ETA is getting a bit worrisome.

[Frayed Knot]

Willie talked before the game about how he'd join the team on Saturday, but almost certainly not play then and quite likely not on Sunday either.
They're off on Monday which points to a Tuesday return if all goes well.

What's good is that nobody's mentioning anything about the shoulder.
I suppose it's mainly a question now about how his head responds to work outs.

[metirish]

The guys on the radio made I think a good point, hockey and football has lot's of experience with concussions but baseball has not, the point Gary wanted to make was that the Mets should take all the time needed to make sure Beltran is OK and ready to play.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Beltran's cheekbone has a "minor" fracture but he won't need surgery for it.

I really think we should put him on the DL and take our time with him. Maybe bring up Redman or Pagan . . .

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

BTW, Greg and Jason did a beautiful job of discussing the collision [url=http://mets2005.myblogsite.com/blog]on their blog[/url]

[Frayed Knot]

DL still possible for Beltran:

He'll rejoin the team today in LA (but won't play) and then get another checkup in NYC on Monday. Apparently a surgical procedure - obviously less serious than the one on Cameron - is a possibility and would need to be done soon rather than after the season.

Cameron will remain hospitalized in LA, maybe for the balance of the week.

[MFS62]

According to Eddie C on the Fan this afternoon, the doctors who have examined Carlos say it requires surgery and has to be done within one week of the injury or not at all. He will be examined when the team returns to New York. If the docs agree with that diagnosis, he will have it done.

Later

[Centerfield]

Anyone listening to FAN? Do we know what happened with the doctors today?

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

[url=http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050815&content_id=1171437&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym]Beltran Is Considering Surgery[/url]

[Centerfield]

Well, this is good news...

Deputy GM Jim Duquette said the same day that the surgery - which Beltran preferred not to have - might not cause him to miss much, if any, time. He's officially listed as day-to-day, with a decision about whether he will undergo surgery expected as soon as today.

For what it's worth, I think he should get the surgery. Not trying to minimize the severity of going under the knife, but the last thing you want is permanent damage as a result of this collision.

Besides Carlos, when you get surgery they give you ice cream.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

When I had surgery, all I got was Jell-O.

The broken bone is near his eye, isn't it? I think the main concern should be his vision. Would his eyesight be in greater jeopardy if he had, or didn't have, the surgery? Or is it not a factor? That's what I'd be asking the doctors if I was Carlos.

[Frayed Knot]

It's apparently a small "shift" in a bone between the ear & eye area (on the order of "a few millimeters"). If things slide back into place on their own then no surgery is needed. If they don't he'll probably undergo the procedure which is going to be somewhat along the lines of an arthroscopic operation rather than the more invasive deal that Cameron needed.

If he has the surgery he'll go on the DL obviously. Backdating it to last Friday he'll be available again as soon as a week from Saturday.

[Guest old original jb]

The fracture is reportedly in the zygomatic arch or cheekbone.
Depending on their extent and location, these fractures can effect configuration of the eye socket. Therefore, my sense is that it should be corrected if the surgeons feel strongly that they can do it without risk of causing worse damage. I would guess that if the approach to treatment is non-surgical, Beltran would have to be out for a while to let the fracture set by itself without getting jarred by additional trauma.

[Frayed Knot]

No surgery for Carlos, could play as early as Wednesday.