Met Rankings by Position

[Guest Edgy DC]

At catcher, they're fine. You sort in ballpark factors, and they probably pull ahead of Philadelphia.

If Piazza stops chasing junk away and takes more walks, this slot remains a relative strength.

This thread projects to be a belabored way of saying we're getting killed at first and second.

RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	SB	CS	SH	SF	HBP	SO	BB	GidP	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Cincinnati	101	335	44	89	22	0	16	159	62	0	0	4	4	10	86	38	5	.266	.354	.475	.829
2	Chicago Cubs	100	354	37	92	21	1	14	157	54	0	1	3	4	4	40	24	8	.260	.311	.444	.754
3	San Francisco	99	348	47	89	32	0	10	151	48	1	2	3	4	5	68	27	8	.256	.315	.434	.749
4	Florida	97	356	38	104	19	1	4	137	40	4	3	3	7	5	27	34	10	.292	.356	.385	.741
5	Philadelphia	101	347	38	85	16	0	14	143	45	0	0	0	1	10	53	33	7	.245	.327	.412	.739
6	NY Mets	100	377	40	95	24	0	13	158	58	1	0	2	2	1	69	35	12	.252	.316	.419	.735
	Piazza	76	284	29	75	19	0	11	127	43	0	0	0	0	1	47	25	5	.264	.326	.447	.773
	Castro	53	85	11	20	5	0	2	31	15	1	0	2	2	0	20	10	6	.235	.309	.365	.674
	DiFelice	6	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
7	Washington	100	354	31	96	20	1	7	139	43	1	0	3	4	5	52	24	7	.271	.323	.393	.716
8	Milwaukee	101	367	43	93	24	0	8	141	37	0	1	1	2	4	81	29	19	.253	.313	.384	.698
9	Colorado	99	343	41	80	15	0	12	131	46	2	0	1	2	4	74	36	13	.233	.312	.382	.694
10	San Diego	100	393	36	103	20	3	7	150	49	2	1	2	4	0	49	24	14	.262	.302	.382	.683
11	Pittsburgh	100	361	33	85	22	2	10	141	50	0	0	3	6	7	84	20	9	.235	.284	.391	.675
12	LA Dodgers	100	357	28	88	21	0	7	130	47	0	1	1	4	3	49	31	13	.246	.309	.364	.673
13	Atlanta	100	376	35	94	23	0	7	138	43	0	0	2	3	3	46	23	12	.250	.296	.367	.663
14	Arizona	102	335	29	79	14	0	6	111	29	0	1	3	2	3	88	37	7	.236	.316	.331	.647
15	St. Louis	99	350	35	83	14	1	6	117	45	0	2	9	2	3	26	14	12	.237	.271	.334	.605
16	Houston	101	336	29	76	12	0	3	97	36	3	2	6	1	5	48	26	16	.226	.291	.289	.579

[Guest Edgy DC]

Catcher
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Cincinnati	111	367	48	100	25	0	19	182	71	.272	.367	.496	.863
2	Chicago Cubs	110	388	40	103	25	2	15	177	59	.265	.318	.456	.775
3	NY Mets	110	415	45	108	28	0	16	184	72	.260	.325	.443	.769
4	Florida	108	397	43	116	23	1	4	153	46	.292	.354	.385	.740
5	Philadelphia	111	382	40	93	18	0	16	159	50	.243	.323	.416	.739
6	Washington	110	385	33	106	21	1	8	153	47	.275	.334	.397	.732
7	Colorado	109	378	48	91	20	2	14	157	51	.241	.316	.415	.731
8	San Francisco	109	382	51	95	33	0	11	161	50	.249	.307	.421	.729
9	San Diego	110	429	40	116	20	4	9	171	55	.270	.315	.399	.713
10	Milwaukee	111	407	50	101	26	0	10	157	43	.248	.308	.386	.694
11	Atlanta	111	416	41	104	26	0	8	154	47	.250	.297	.370	.667
12	Pittsburgh	111	401	35	92	26	2	10	152	53	.229	.281	.379	.660
13	Arizona	112	368	34	86	16	0	8	126	36	.234	.316	.342	.658
14	LA Dodgers	110	391	30	94	21	0	7	136	47	.240	.308	.348	.656
15	St. Louis	110	386	40	91	15	1	6	126	47	.236	.272	.326	.598
16	Houston	111	366	31	81	13	0	3	103	40	.221	.285	.281	.566

First Base
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Chicago Cubs	110	423	87	149	36	2	33	288	85	.352	.429	.681	1.110
2	St. Louis	110	427	95	148	28	1	31	271	91	.347	.433	.635	1.068
3	Arizona	112	448	61	141	31	3	29	265	75	.315	.360	.592	.952
4	LA Dodgers	110	405	59	115	27	1	26	222	82	.284	.362	.548	.910
5	Florida	108	415	63	121	29	1	20	212	73	.292	.380	.511	.891
6	Colorado	109	405	59	122	29	1	13	192	54	.301	.412	.474	.886
7	Washington	110	402	56	117	28	2	12	185	53	.291	.395	.460	.855
8	Milwaukee	111	417	61	117	26	0	19	200	65	.281	.363	.480	.842
9	Cincinnati	111	439	64	135	27	0	11	195	51	.308	.373	.444	.817
10	Atlanta	111	419	51	112	25	1	20	199	79	.267	.325	.475	.800
11	San Diego	110	431	55	121	18	3	16	193	68	.281	.339	.448	.787
12	Houston	111	420	61	108	19	1	18	183	68	.257	.346	.436	.781
13	Pittsburgh	111	423	52	111	25	1	13	177	68	.262	.331	.418	.750
14	Philadelphia	111	404	53	97	18	0	14	157	66	.240	.346	.389	.735
15	San Francisco	109	432	50	111	22	2	13	176	59	.257	.316	.407	.723
16	NY Mets	110	388	45	86	21	0	11	140	38	.222	.299	.361	.660

Second Base
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	LA Dodgers	110	418	69	130	27	0	21	220	75	.311	.377	.526	.903
2	Philadelphia	111	426	66	130	30	2	15	209	67	.305	.384	.491	.874
3	Atlanta	111	442	81	138	36	3	8	204	44	.312	.382	.462	.843
4	Houston	111	438	72	119	34	2	17	208	52	.272	.339	.475	.814
5	Florida	108	418	76	126	20	2	9	177	41	.301	.380	.423	.803
6	San Francisco	109	421	62	122	27	0	9	176	41	.290	.355	.418	.773
7	Milwaukee	111	432	65	112	20	4	15	185	51	.259	.342	.428	.770
8	Chicago Cubs	110	433	55	121	27	2	10	182	37	.279	.342	.420	.762
9	Cincinnati	111	445	71	121	20	3	11	180	49	.272	.349	.404	.754
10	Arizona	112	461	65	125	29	3	7	181	37	.271	.360	.393	.752
11	St. Louis	110	440	55	128	25	2	7	178	46	.291	.332	.405	.736
12	Colorado	109	448	61	130	25	2	6	177	44	290	.327	.395	.722
13	Washington	110	414	61	102	28	2	8	158	38	.246	.330	.382	.711
14	Pittsburgh	111	438	52	118	16	3	10	170	49	.269	.310	.388	.699
15	San Diego	110	445	59	117	14	1	6	151	47	.263	.333	.339	.673
16	NY Mets	110	418	52	108	22	1	5	147	35	.258	.302	.352	.654

Third Base
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Houston	111	401	66	115	24	3	29	232	81	.287	.383	.579	.962
2	Chicago Cubs	110	434	70	133	29	0	28	246	83	.306	.358	.567	.925
3	Milwaukee	111	402	53	118	32	1	19	209	59	.294	.371	.520	.891
4	NY Mets	110	392	67	117	29	1	16	196	63	.298	.384	.500	.884
5	Arizona	112	429	62	114	30	1	22	212	73	.266	.358	.494	.852
6	Cincinnati	111	430	56	124	35	1	14	203	51	.288	.357	.472	.829
7	Atlanta	111	401	61	112	32	4	12	188	51	.279	.357	.469	.826
8	St. Louis	110	401	62	111	22	3	8	163	58	.277	.359	.406	.766
9	Colorado	109	410	51	115	24	1	9	168	58	.280	.349	.410	.759
10	Pittsburgh	111	432	59	119	24	2	11	180	55	.275	.333	.417	.749
11	San Francisco	109	423	49	119	21	1	11	175	65	.281	.330	.414	.743
12	Philadelphia	111	425	43	113	23	1	8	162	47	.266	.320	.381	.701
13	Washington	110	419	45	103	29	2	7	157	56	.246	.316	.375	.691
14	San Diego	110	416	42	106	18	3	6	148	30	.255	.329	.356	.685
15	LA Dodgers	110	411	52	100	19	3	7	146	40	.243	.325	.355	.681
16	Florida	108	406	43	95	32	0	8	151	53	.234	.284	.372	.656

Shortstop
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Atlanta	111	457	73	130	19	10	10	199	43	.284	.346	.435	.782
2	Cincinnati	111	463	73	119	28	3	17	204	61	.257	.308	.441	.748
3	San Francisco	109	439	57	130	25	4	2	169	38	.296	.351	.385	.736
4	Colorado	109	441	65	118	30	3	8	178	45	.268	.322	.404	.726
5	Philadelphia	111	480	77	133	21	7	9	195	33	.277	.318	.406	.724
6	St. Louis	110	452	63	124	16	5	4	162	36	.274	.353	.358	.711
7	Florida	108	377	38	100	20	1	7	143	40	.265	.328	.379	.707
8	San Diego	110	416	46	101	24	2	11	162	55	.243	.295	.389	.684
9	NY Mets	110	487	71	136	18	11	3	185	47	.279	.302	.380	.682
10	LA Dodgers	110	471	53	135	19	2	2	164	35	.287	.330	.348	.678
11	Arizona	112	448	52	118	23	3	5	162	43	.263	.308	.362	.669
12	Houston	111	414	47	100	25	3	8	155	43	.242	.292	.374	.666
13	Milwaukee	111	391	49	88	29	1	7	140	39	.225	.307	.358	.665
14	Chicago Cubs	110	458	53	116	22	1	7	161	41	.253	.283	.352	.634
15	Pittsburgh	111	415	41	97	18	6	6	145	29	.234	.284	.349	.634
16	Washington	110	387	32	78	8	5	3	105	22	.202	.251	.271	.522

Left Field
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Florida	108	431	81	152	32	2	24	260	79	.353	.412	.603	1.015
2	Cincinnati	111	394	83	107	30	2	28	225	79	.272	.392	.571	.963
3	Pittsburgh	111	406	70	124	36	5	19	227	55	.305	.403	.559	.962
4	Milwaukee	111	434	63	118	31	0	27	230	90	.272	.338	.530	.868
5	NY Mets	110	413	64	113	18	1	25	208	69	.274	.357	.504	.861
6	St. Louis	110	420	64	115	22	2	24	213	63	.274	.337	.507	.844
7	Philadelphia	111	417	54	114	18	1	21	197	78	.273	.367	.472	.839
8	San Diego	110	429	63	117	20	1	17	190	56	.273	.362	.443	.805
9	Arizona	112	438	64	118	27	0	15	190	60	.269	.359	.434	.793
10	San Francisco	109	414	58	121	18	1	11	174	62	.292	.351	.420	.772
11	Colorado	109	427	53	119	17	5	14	188	52	.279	.330	.440	.770
12	Chicago Cubs	110	406	35	105	28	3	9	166	46	.259	.314	.409	.723
13	Washington	110	406	41	104	27	4	9	166	51	.256	.312	.409	.721
14	Atlanta	111	420	61	103	16	1	13	160	60	.245	.318	.381	.699
15	Houston	111	421	44	105	23	5	5	153	36	.249	.310	.363	.673
16	LA Dodgers	110	415	47	95	20	3	7	142	37	.229	.280	.342	.622

Center Field
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Atlanta	111	413	67	112	21	3	35	244	88	.271	.354	.591	.945
2	Cincinnati	111	425	75	121	28	1	27	232	80	.285	.358	.546	.904
3	LA Dodgers	110	409	72	117	18	3	22	207	58	.286	.364	.506	.871
4	St. Louis	110	399	68	107	26	1	21	198	72	.268	.372	.496	.869
5	Washington	110	421	60	112	32	6	9	183	53	.266	.371	.435	.806
6	Milwaukee	111	470	76	149	25	0	9	201	41	.317	.375	.428	.803
7	San Diego	110	435	62	117	18	7	16	197	65	.269	.346	.453	.798
8	Philadelphia	111	427	71	133	16	5	4	171	40	.311	.392	.400	.793
9	NY Mets	110	443	58	124	30	3	14	202	64	.280	.333	.456	.789
10	Arizona	112	412	52	100	15	5	16	173	51	.243	.340	.420	.760
11	Colorado	109	429	59	108	20	4	17	187	60	.252	.309	.436	.745
12	Houston	111	459	60	134	13	4	6	173	33	.292	.330	.377	.707
13	Pittsburgh	111	446	60	116	17	4	11	174	45	.260	.311	.390	.701
14	Chicago Cubs	110	454	55	112	16	3	14	176	35	.247	.292	.388	.680
15	Florida	108	458	69	119	11	9	2	154	29	.260	.314	.336	.650
16	San Francisco	109	432	49	104	23	2	4	143	36	.241	.299	.331	.630

Right Field
RK	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	San Diego	110	390	71	115	35	5	10	190	60	.295	.423	.487	.910
2	Philadelphia	111	417	75	120	23	1	20	205	71	.288	.397	.492	.888
3	Florida	108	414	56	124	24	3	17	205	70	.300	.366	.495	.861
4	Washington	110	434	66	132	23	1	19	214	59	.304	.357	.493	.850
5	Milwaukee	111	416	67	115	31	1	17	199	60	.276	.359	.478	.838
6	NY Mets	110	411	67	107	27	2	20	198	55	.260	.348	.482	.830
7	Colorado	109	404	56	115	18	5	17	194	56	.285	.349	.480	.829
8	Arizona	112	431	62	119	27	3	18	206	58	.276	.349	.478	.827
9	Pittsburgh	111	426	63	117	33	2	10	184	50	.275	.377	.432	.809
10	St. Louis	110	421	71	114	25	2	16	191	62	.271	.350	.454	.803
11	San Francisco	109	414	62	109	21	1	18	186	56	.263	.335	.449	.784
12	LA Dodgers	110	397	62	98	25	0	16	171	51	.247	.347	.431	.778
13	Chicago Cubs	110	427	63	112	26	2	16	190	55	.262	.328	.445	.773
14	Houston	111	427	54	109	32	2	17	196	49	.255	.305	.459	.764
15	Cincinnati	111	427	59	107	29	2	15	185	65	.251	.317	.433	.750
16	Atlanta	111	411	57	104	24	5	14	180	53	.253	.310	.438	.748

[metirish]

Excellent work, first and second base help is a glaring need when you look at your charts, very interesting to look at teams where they are by postition relative to where they are in the standings, good stuff, the Reds for instance fair well by postition but we all know they have no pitching.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'll follow up with some pitching rankings.

[smg58]

It's tough to tell with Cincy how much of that is ballpark-related.

I'm shocked that Milwaukee's rotation of guys at third is ahead of David Wright.

Keep in mind that Mintkiewicz' OPS is significantly higher than the overall OPS at first.

I'm still a lot more disappointed with center than I am with first, given the level of investment and expectation. Second is another story, because we did make a significant investment in Matsui.

The Marlins are last at third base. Who saw that coming?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I suspected ballpark factors also, but according to baseball-reference.com, the Great American Ballpark, in it's first year, played even. In it's second year, bb-r.com gave it a batters' ballpark factor of 92, very much in favor of pitching.

So, to believe bb-r.com, Cincy's batters have mashed and their pitchers have struggled because that's the type of talent they have.

[nymr83]

is catcher a relative strength? well relative to other catchers maybe, but how about relative to other $10 million+ players?
expectations/contracts play a huge part in how good a year you are having. if the mets werent paying piazza 15 mil they could conceivably be giving it to Delgado. and their 1B/C duo would be better than the current 1B/C duo.
i'm not looking to start a piaza-bashing fest, just suggesting that since other catchers aren't payed like piazza is they shouldn't be compared to him like that. Its not like he's a defensive asset either...most teams have a slugger at 1B and a defensive wiz at C...we have the opposite...compare piazza to the other 1Bmen and mientkiewicz to the other catchers for a more reasonable view of what they are doing compared to what the mets needed out of them.

[Guest Edgy DC]

That would be the Met Rankings by Salary thread.

[Guest Edgy DC]

]I'm shocked that Milwaukee's rotation of guys at third is ahead of David Wright.

I think Russ Branyan is an excellent guy to pick spots for.

NAME	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BB	SO	SB	CS	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
Jeff Cirillo	44	137	18	41	14	0	3	64	13	13	17	3	2	.299	.364	.467	.831

[Guest Rotblatt]

]compare piazza to the other 1Bmen and mientkiewicz to the other catchers for a more reasonable view of what they are doing compared to what the mets needed out of them.

That would be interesting to do . . . And to get a rough idea, we could just add the 1B & C OPS, then divide it by 2 & compare to each NL team.

I'm pretty busy today, but the Mets's 1B + C OPS is .715. ATL's at .734, PHI at .737, FLA at .816 & WAS at .794.

Of course, Piazza & Mientkiewicz's OPS's are higher than the average at their positions--Doug's at .760 & Piazza's at .798--but I assume the same is true of the other teams as well . . .

If Doug is able to continue swinging a hot bat (.804 OPS in June, .894 in July, 1.800 in August) for the rest of the season (doubtful, but possible), we're in okay shape there. If he has trouble, we should probably just throw Valent in there, but the organization is apparently down on Valent, since he's still in AAA and WIlliams is still up here.

The bigger problem is second, since Willie's given every indication that he'll stick with Cairo instead of trying out Matsui or one of the rookies, and Cairo's not likely to do much better than he has.

[metsmarathon]

well, if i do a simple transposition of our 1b OPS and C OPS into the other's category, we'd have the 11th best C OPS and 13th best 1b OPS.

i'm not sure if we've learned anything from this statement tho...

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, I think we're getting too philosophical here. The point was to get a snapshot of where the Mets are succeeding relative to the league and where they're failing. Here's a quick shot of the rankings.

c	1b	2b	3b	ss	lf	cf	rf
3	16	16	4	9	5	9	6

I don't think most reasonable expectations were of Piazza getting overpaid at the end of his contract.