Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) Lots of fun with the last quiz, so adding in here its harder cousin.Can you name the highest entry on each franchise’s WAR leaderboard to have also played for the Mets? Example: Yogi Berra has the most WAR as a Yankee (#7 on that franchise list) of any player who was also a Met.What makes this hard is that all the easy/obvious answers came out in the earlier quiz: [th]Franchise Rank[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Player[/th][th]Other Franchise WAR[/th][th]Mets WAR[/th][td]1[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]Mays[/td][td]154.6[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]Nationals[/td][td]Carter[/td][td]55.8[/td][td]11.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]Henderson[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]2[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]Appier[/td][td]47.1[/td][td]3.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]Fregosi[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]3[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]Bautista[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]3[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]Spahn[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]0.0[/td][td]4[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]Snider[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]4[/td][td]Marlins[/td][td]Castillo[/td][td]22.4[/td][td]2.9[/td][td]4[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]Murray[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.8[/td][td]6[/td][td]Cardinals[/td][td]Boyer[/td][td]58.1[/td][td]3.6[/td][td]7[/td][td]Phillies[/td][td][/td][td]47.2[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]7[/td][td]Yankees[/td][td]Berra[/td][td]59.7[/td][td]-0.1[/td][td]8[/td][td]Padres[/td][td][/td][td]20.4[/td][td]-0.2[/td][td]8[/td][td]Red Sox[/td][td]Martinez[/td][td]53.8[/td][td]8.1[/td][td]9[/td][td]Mariners[/td][td]Cano[/td][td]23.9[/td][td]1.4[/td][td]9[/td][td]Tigers[/td][td]Verlander[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.1[/td][td]10[/td][td]Rangers[/td][td][/td][td]31.2[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]13[/td][td]Pirates[/td][td][/td][td]42.3[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]13[/td][td]White Sox[/td][td]Ventura[/td][td]39.4[/td][td]11[/td][td]15[/td][td]Brewers[/td][td][/td][td]19[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]16[/td][td]Diamondbacks[/td][td][/td][td]14.3[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]17[/td][td]Reds[/td][td][/td][td]39.5[/td][td]4.7[/td][td]17[/td][td]Twins[/td][td]Santana[/td][td]36.1[/td][td]15.3[/td][td]18[/td][td]Astros[/td][td][/td][td]24.8[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rays[/td][td][/td][td]10.5[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rockies[/td][td][/td][td]11.8[/td][td]0.8[/td][td]36[/td][td]Guardians[/td][td][/td][td]28.3[/td][td]27.3[/td][td]57[/td][td]Cubs[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td]1.7[/td] Edited March 11 by Gwreck
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Posted March 11 For the Phillies, I know Ashburn was guessed in the other thread, and I think Wheeler was too, so I'll guess... Dykstra?
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Posted March 11 For the Phillies, I know Ashburn was guessed in the other thread, and I think Wheeler was too, so I'll guess... Dykstra? Oops... just noticed that our Phillie's Mets WAR was -0.5, so that would rule out Dykstra. I'll go instead with Bowa.
Chad ochoseis Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Got to think Dykstra had better WAR than that as a Met. But Juan Samuel probably didn't.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 [th]Franchise Rank[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Player[/th][th]Other Franchise WAR[/th][th]Mets WAR[/th][td]1[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]Mays[/td][td]154.6[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]Nationals[/td][td]Carter[/td][td]55.8[/td][td]11.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]Henderson[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]2[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]Appier[/td][td]47.1[/td][td]3.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]Fregosi[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]3[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]Bautista[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]3[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]Spahn[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]0.0[/td][td]4[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]Snider[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]4[/td][td]Marlins[/td][td]Castillo[/td][td]22.4[/td][td]2.9[/td][td]4[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]Murray[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.8[/td][td]6[/td][td]Cardinals[/td][td]Boyer[/td][td]58.1[/td][td]3.6[/td][td]7[/td][td]Phillies[/td][td][/td][td]47.2[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]7[/td][td]Yankees[/td][td]Berra[/td][td]59.7[/td][td]-0.1[/td][td]8[/td][td]Padres[/td][td][/td][td]20.4[/td][td]-0.2[/td][td]8[/td][td]Red Sox[/td][td]Martinez[/td][td]53.8[/td][td]8.1[/td][td]9[/td][td]Mariners[/td][td]Cano[/td][td]23.9[/td][td]1.4[/td][td]9[/td][td]Tigers[/td][td]Verlander[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.1[/td][td]10[/td][td]Rangers[/td][td][/td][td]31.2[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]13[/td][td]Pirates[/td][td][/td][td]42.3[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]13[/td][td]White Sox[/td][td]Ventura[/td][td]39.4[/td][td]11[/td][td]15[/td][td]Brewers[/td][td][/td][td]19[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]16[/td][td]Diamondbacks[/td][td][/td][td]14.3[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]17[/td][td]Reds[/td][td][/td][td]39.5[/td][td]4.7[/td][td]17[/td][td]Twins[/td][td]Santana[/td][td]36.1[/td][td]15.3[/td][td]18[/td][td]Astros[/td][td][/td][td]24.8[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rays[/td][td][/td][td]10.5[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rockies[/td][td][/td][td]11.8[/td][td]0.8[/td][td]36[/td][td]Guardians[/td][td]Lindor[/td][td]28.3[/td][td]27.3[/td][td]57[/td][td]Cubs[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td]1.7[/td] Incorrect:WheelerSamuelDykstraBowa
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted March 11 Posted March 11 I'll stick with Nolan Ryan for the Astros.The dude ate innings like they were potato chips.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 Dunston, Bass, Bowa, Candelaria, Kazmir, and Ryan are all incorrect. Kazmir would have been a correct answer (he’s #10 on the Rays’ leaderboard) but he never reached the majors with the Mets.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Not that I doubt you, but I fear I may be misunderstanding the assignment. I check baseball-reference here (after the fact) and they credit Nolan Ryan with 25.4 WAR for the Astros. Fangraphs credits him with 36.6.Both of these figures are higher than the 24.8 total of the guy your chart says you are looking for, so what, please, am I missing?
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 Interesting!The Baseball-Reference team index page for Houston (https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/) has a “Top 24 players” section with Mike Scott at #18, 23.8 WAR and Nolan Ryan at #20, 23.4 WAR. That’s where the Scott answer was picked from; the “24.8” in the chart must have been a typo.The Baseball-Reference leaders page for Astros pitchers, (https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/leaders_pitch_50.shtml) has Ryan at 25.4 pitching WAR, Scott at 24.8.Scott had -1.0 WAR as a Houston batter and Ryan had -2.0 WAR as a Houston batter, which was factored in for the overall team rankings.
Chad ochoseis Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Posted March 11 I think Jim Hickman had some good years for the Cubs.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 (edited) [th]Franchise Rank[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Player[/th][th]Other Franchise WAR[/th][th]Mets WAR[/th][td]1[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]Mays[/td][td]154.6[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]Nationals[/td][td]Carter[/td][td]55.8[/td][td]11.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]Henderson[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]2[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]Appier[/td][td]47.1[/td][td]3.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]Fregosi[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]3[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]Bautista[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]3[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]Spahn[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]0.0[/td][td]4[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]Snider[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]4[/td][td]Marlins[/td][td]Castillo[/td][td]22.4[/td][td]2.9[/td][td]4[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]Murray[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.8[/td][td]6[/td][td]Cardinals[/td][td]Boyer[/td][td]58.1[/td][td]3.6[/td][td]7[/td][td]Yankees[/td][td]Berra[/td][td]59.7[/td][td]-0.1[/td][td]8[/td][td]Padres[/td][td][/td][td]20.4[/td][td]-0.2[/td][td]8[/td][td]Red Sox[/td][td]Martinez[/td][td]53.8[/td][td]8.1[/td][td]9[/td][td]Mariners[/td][td]Cano[/td][td]23.9[/td][td]1.4[/td][td]9[/td][td]Tigers[/td][td]Verlander[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.1[/td][td]10[/td][td]Phillies[/td][td][/td][td]47.2[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]10[/td][td]Rangers[/td][td][/td][td]31.2[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]13[/td][td]Pirates[/td][td][/td][td]42.3[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]13[/td][td]White Sox[/td][td]Ventura[/td][td]39.4[/td][td]11[/td][td]15[/td][td]Brewers[/td][td][/td][td]19[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]16[/td][td]Diamondbacks[/td][td][/td][td]14.3[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]17[/td][td]Reds[/td][td]Foster[/td][td]39.5[/td][td]4.7[/td][td]17[/td][td]Twins[/td][td]Santana[/td][td]36.1[/td][td]15.3[/td][td]18[/td][td]Astros[/td][td]Scott (with hitting factored in)[/td][td]23.8[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]18[/td][td]Astros[/td][td]Ryan (if measuring just the pitching)[/td][td]23.4[/td][td]3.0[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rays[/td][td][/td][td]10.5[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rockies[/td][td][/td][td]11.8[/td][td]0.8[/td][td]36[/td][td]Guardians[/td][td]Lindor[/td][td]28.3[/td][td]27.3[/td][td]57[/td][td]Cubs[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td]1.7[/td] Incorrect:Candelaria (#19, Pirates)Wheeler (#24, Phillies)Dykstra (#33, Phillies)Bowa (#36, Phillies)Bass (#36, Astros)Samuel (>#75, Phillies)Hickman (>#75, Cubs)Dunston (>#75, Cubs)Bay (>#75, Pirates)Kazmir (not a Met in the major leagues, #10, Rays) Edited March 11 by Gwreck
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Interesting!The Baseball-Reference team index page for Houston (https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/) has a “Top 24 players” section with Mike Scott at #18, 23.8 WAR and Nolan Ryan at #20, 23.4 WAR. That’s where the Scott answer was picked from; the “24.8” in the chart must have been a typo.The Baseball-Reference leaders page for Astros pitchers, (https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/leaders_pitch_50.shtml) has Ryan at 25.4 pitching WAR, Scott at 24.8.Scott had -1.0 WAR as a Houston batter and Ryan had -2.0 WAR as a Houston batter, which was factored in for the overall team rankings. Ah, good stuff. I would usually be the first guy to subtract his batting score, but I didn't, and that's the discrepancy. His crappier batting put him behind Scott.Scott it is. That's what I get for checking the scores after the fact.
smg58 Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Was Randy Jones a Padre for long enough to get 20.4 WAR?
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Posted March 11 I thought of Randy Jones too, but I think, perhaps incorrectly, that his number with the Mets would be better than -0.2.I'm really stumped over the Pirate. Could it possibly be Richie Hebner?
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 Randy Jones actually had 20.7 pitching WAR for San Diego but his ineptitude with the bat pushes him down to 19.8 overall and #11 on the Padres list. Randy had -1.9 WAR with the Mets.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 Hebner had 23 WAR for Pittsburgh, a respectable #41 on their all-time list.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Starting pitchers keep burning me, but Imma go with Pittsburgh Pirate Bob Friend.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 Bob is correct. [th]Franchise Rank[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Player[/th][th]Other Franchise WAR[/th][th]Mets WAR[/th][td]1[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]Mays[/td][td]154.6[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]Nationals[/td][td]Carter[/td][td]55.8[/td][td]11.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]Henderson[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]2[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]Appier[/td][td]47.1[/td][td]3.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]Fregosi[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]3[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]Bautista[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]3[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]Spahn[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]0.0[/td][td]4[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]Snider[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]4[/td][td]Marlins[/td][td]Castillo[/td][td]22.4[/td][td]2.9[/td][td]4[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]Murray[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.8[/td][td]6[/td][td]Cardinals[/td][td]Boyer[/td][td]58.1[/td][td]3.6[/td][td]7[/td][td]Yankees[/td][td]Berra[/td][td]59.7[/td][td]-0.1[/td][td]8[/td][td]Padres[/td][td][/td][td]20.4[/td][td]-0.2[/td][td]8[/td][td]Red Sox[/td][td]Martinez[/td][td]53.8[/td][td]8.1[/td][td]9[/td][td]Mariners[/td][td]Cano[/td][td]23.9[/td][td]1.4[/td][td]9[/td][td]Tigers[/td][td]Verlander[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.1[/td][td]10[/td][td]Phillies[/td][td][/td][td]47.2[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]10[/td][td]Rangers[/td][td][/td][td]31.2[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]13[/td][td]Pirates[/td][td]Friend[/td][td]42.3[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]13[/td][td]White Sox[/td][td]Ventura[/td][td]39.4[/td][td]11[/td][td]15[/td][td]Brewers[/td][td][/td][td]19[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]16[/td][td]Diamondbacks[/td][td][/td][td]14.3[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]17[/td][td]Reds[/td][td]Foster[/td][td]39.5[/td][td]4.7[/td][td]17[/td][td]Twins[/td][td]Santana[/td][td]36.1[/td][td]15.3[/td][td]18[/td][td]Astros[/td][td]Scott[/td][td]23.8[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rays[/td][td][/td][td]10.5[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rockies[/td][td][/td][td]11.8[/td][td]0.8[/td][td]36[/td][td]Guardians[/td][td]Lindor[/td][td]28.3[/td][td]27.3[/td][td]57[/td][td]Cubs[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td]1.7[/td] Incorrect:R. Jones (#11, Padres)Candelaria (#19, Pirates)Ryan (#20, Astros…but only because he was a worse hitter than Mike Scott)Wheeler (#24, Phillies)Dykstra (#33, Phillies)Bowa (#36, Phillies)Bass (#36, Astros)Hebner (#41, Pirates)Samuel (>#75, Phillies)Hickman (>#75, Cubs)Dunston (>#75, Cubs)Bay (>#75, Pirates)Sheffield (>#75, Brewers)Kazmir (not a Met in the major leagues, #10, Rays)
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Whoah! Bob Friend is your friend!!I'm white hot! So I'll reach out to Texas and Tom Grieve!
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 (edited) Grieve is…not on the top 100 Senators/Rangers list.Also, it appears that Richie Ashburn is correct. For some reason Bobby Abreu was showing up in this table (he’s next after Asbhurn on the Mets/Phillies list). So someone gets retroactive credit here. Proofreader is getting fired. [th]Franchise Rank[/th][th]Franchise[/th][th]Player[/th][th]Other Franchise WAR[/th][th]Mets WAR[/th][td]1[/td][td]Giants[/td][td]Mays[/td][td]154.6[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]1[/td][td]Nationals[/td][td]Carter[/td][td]55.8[/td][td]11.4[/td][td]2[/td][td]Athletics[/td][td]Henderson[/td][td]72.7[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]2[/td][td]Royals[/td][td]Appier[/td][td]47.1[/td][td]3.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]Angels[/td][td]Fregosi[/td][td]45.9[/td][td]1.6[/td][td]3[/td][td]Blue Jays[/td][td]Bautista[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]3[/td][td]Braves[/td][td]Spahn[/td][td]91.9[/td][td]0.0[/td][td]4[/td][td]Dodgers[/td][td]Snider[/td][td]65.4[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]4[/td][td]Marlins[/td][td]Castillo[/td][td]22.4[/td][td]2.9[/td][td]4[/td][td]Orioles[/td][td]Murray[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.8[/td][td]6[/td][td]Cardinals[/td][td]Boyer[/td][td]58.1[/td][td]3.6[/td][td]7[/td][td]Yankees[/td][td]Berra[/td][td]59.7[/td][td]-0.1[/td][td]7[/td][td]Phillies[/td][td]Ashburn[/td][td]58.2[/td][td]2.1[/td][td]8[/td][td]Padres[/td][td][/td][td]20.4[/td][td]-0.2[/td][td]8[/td][td]Red Sox[/td][td]Martinez[/td][td]53.8[/td][td]8.1[/td][td]9[/td][td]Mariners[/td][td]Cano[/td][td]23.9[/td][td]1.4[/td][td]9[/td][td]Tigers[/td][td]Verlander[/td][td]56.6[/td][td]2.1[/td][td]10[/td][td]Rangers[/td][td][/td][td]31.2[/td][td]1.2[/td][td]13[/td][td]Pirates[/td][td]Friend[/td][td]42.3[/td][td]-0.5[/td][td]13[/td][td]White Sox[/td][td]Ventura[/td][td]39.4[/td][td]11[/td][td]15[/td][td]Brewers[/td][td][/td][td]19[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]16[/td][td]Diamondbacks[/td][td][/td][td]14.3[/td][td]0.1[/td][td]17[/td][td]Reds[/td][td]Foster[/td][td]39.5[/td][td]4.7[/td][td]17[/td][td]Twins[/td][td]Santana[/td][td]36.1[/td][td]15.3[/td][td]18[/td][td]Astros[/td][td]Scott[/td][td]23.8[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rays[/td][td][/td][td]10.5[/td][td]-0.7[/td][td]21[/td][td]Rockies[/td][td][/td][td]11.8[/td][td]0.8[/td][td]36[/td][td]Guardians[/td][td]Lindor[/td][td]28.3[/td][td]27.3[/td][td]57[/td][td]Cubs[/td][td][/td][td]21.8[/td][td]1.7[/td] Incorrect:R. Jones (#11, Padres)Candelaria (#19, Pirates)Ryan (#20, Astros…but only because he was a worse hitter than Mike Scott)Wheeler (#24, Phillies)Dykstra (#33, Phillies)Bowa (#36, Phillies)Bass (#36, Astros)Hebner (#41, Pirates)Samuel (>#75, Phillies)Hickman (>#75, Cubs)Dunston (>#75, Cubs)Bay (>#75, Pirates)Sheffield (>#75, Brewers)Kazmir (not a Met in the major leagues, #10, Rays) Edited March 12 by Gwreck
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