Thread that Covers What Occurs Within the Game — NYM@BOS, 7/21/2023 (cont. 7/22)

[Edgy MD]

The Mets return to the site of two of their great 1986 victories, Mark Vientos returns to the roster, Keith Hernandez returns to the booth, and Kodai Senga makes his New England debut.



Won't you return and tune in as this Mets team faces righthander Kutter Crawford?

[ashie62]

Apple TV



I'm out

[kcmets]

Psst, game is on SNY.

[kcmets]

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B Nimmo (L) CF

F Lindor (S) SS

J McNeil (L) RF

P Alonso ® 1B

D Vogelbach (L) DH

F Alvarez ® C

B Baty (L) 3B

M Canha ® LF

L Guillorme (L) 2B

[kcmets]

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J Duran (L) LF

J Turner ® 2B

M Yoshida (L) DH

R Devers (L) 3B

A Duvall ® CF

A Verdugo (L) RF

T Casas (L) 1B

C Wong ® C

Y Chang ® SS

[metirish]

Mets Twitter is in meltdown mode over Vogelbach starting and not Vientos

[Edgy MD]

Get a grip, Mets Twitter.



If Tommy Pham is able to get in there, this may be one of MLB's more Asian/Asian-American matchups.

[MFS62]

=metirish post_id=132374 time=1689967570 user_id=72]
Mets Twitter is in meltdown mode over Vogelbach starting and not Vientos

[ashie62]

=kcmets post_id=132371 time=1689966285 user_id=53]
Psst, game is on SNY.

[ashie62]

This should be fun to watch

[kcmets]

=metirish post_id=132374 time=1689967570 user_id=72]
Mets Twitter is in meltdown mode over Vogelbach starting and not Vientos

[Edgy MD]

I can't imagine what is remotely controversial about starting a lefthanded batter against a righthanded pitcher, or alternating lefties and righties in the lineup.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: I can't imagine what is remotely controversial about starting a lefthanded batter against a righthanded pitcher, or alternating lefties and righties in the lineup.

Not controversial. Managers have it been doing it for years. But those same managers might do it differently day-to-day.

He never seems to deviate when knowing the other team's pitcher, even though there might be more favorable matchups. His rigidity of lineup structure is what caught my eye.

Later

[Edgy MD]

I can't imagine how you can write that his choices are not controversial after writing that his choice must have been made because of threats to his family. These can't both be true. Nor can they "seem" to both be true.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Vientos suxxx

[ashie62]

We don't know that yet

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I'm just counteracting the Vogelbach crybabies.

[Edgy MD]

Well, let's not be binary.

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[TH]Batter vs. RH[/TH]	[TH]BA[/TH]	[TH]OBP[/TH]	[TH]SLG[/TH]	[TH]OPS[/TH]
[TD]Matt Vientos, 2023[/TD]	[TD].172[/TD]	[TD].226[/TD]	[TD].276[/TD]	[TD].502[/TD]
[TD]Matt Vientos, Career[/TD]	[TD].149[/TD]	[TD].200[/TD]	[TD].213[/TD]	[TD].413[/TD]
[TH][/TH]	[TH][/TH]	[TH][/TH]	[TH][/TH]	[TH][/TH]
[TD]Daniel Vogelbach, 2023[/TD]	[TD].238[/TD]	[TD].350[/TD]	[TD].369[/TD]	[TD].719[/TD]
[TD]Daniel Vogelbach, Career[/TD]	[TD].238[/TD]	[TD].362[/TD]	[TD].446[/TD]	[TD].808[/TD]

I like Vientos. I've followed Vientos closely and rooted for him over other prospects who were getting more ink — including Brett Baty — and I'm glad for the minor league career he has put together and I hope it springboards into a long, prosperous major league career.



But looking at the data above, what in the world can possibly be controversial in Showalter tapping the latter option to start on this muggy evening in July?

[ashie62]

The sample size here is insanely small as to be "incomplete"



Embarrassing Mary Contrary move

[Edgy MD]

It is certainly small, but it is, in no way, incomplete. Nor is it insane.



I have no idea what "embarrassing Mary Contrary move" means.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: I can't imagine how you can write that his choices are not controversial after writing that his choice must have been made because of threats to his family. They can't both be true.

It wasn't meant literally.

Just my typical hyperbole and attempt at humor. If you recall, I've said (every time we get into one of these discussions)that I was influenced as a child by the "Toward more Picturesque Speech" in Reader's Digest. I guess your and my styles of humor aren't on the same wavelength.

Later

[Edgy MD]

So, you're not indicting the Buck Showalter at all?

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: So, you're not indicting the Buck Showalter at all?

No. I was just pointing the pattern and his inflexibility. Whether that is good or bad is a separate issue.

Later

[Edgy MD]

I understand hyperbole fine. I don't understand deploying it in advancement of a position you don't actually hold.

[ashie62]

Six up six down

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure why the Sox' run should be earned. Senga didn't throw the ball into centerfield.

[Edgy MD]

And the booth seems to also take issue.

[ashie62]

It should not be earned

[ashie62]

Chang blast on international night

[Edgy MD]

A cheap rally, but walking folks in this park is dangerous that way.