IGT 05/25 - DET at NYM

[Frayed Knot]

Chad ochoseis wrote: It's the Tomas Nido game!

It's more like the catcher game.

- 7 hits by the entire team, 4 of them by the two catchers [3 Ramos, 1 Nido] including all 3 XBHs and 1 of the 3 walks

- 3 HRs in the game, all by the catchers [2, 1]

- 5 RBI, all by the catchers [4,1] and 3 of the 5 runs scored [2,1]



Then toss in 13 innings of squatting [11, 2] plus a key pick-off by Ramos and the backstops were pretty much the backbone all day

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Then toss in 13 innings of squatting [11, 2] plus a key pick-off by Ramos and the backstops were pretty much the backbone all day

When I was a kid, the older fans used to say that when a game goes long into extra innings, look for a catcher to get a hit to win it. I have absolutely no statistical evidence to back that up, but it sure makes sense.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: Chad ochoseis wrote: It's the Tomas Nido game! It's more like the catcher game. - 7 hits by the entire team, 4 of them by the two catchers [3 Ramos, 1 Nido] including all 3 XBHs and 1 of the 3 walks - 3 HRs in the game, all by the catchers [2, 1] - 5 RBI, all by the catchers [4,1] and 3 of the 5 runs scored [2,1] Then toss in 13 innings of squatting [11, 2] plus a key pick-off by Ramos and the backstops were pretty much the backbone all day

And when they pinch-ran for the torpid starting catcher with the potential winning run, the pinch-runner didn't score, despite two hits behind him.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Went to the game. Glad to see Ramos producing a little. What the hell happened with Diaz? Let's run this down: Gsellman's pitching in the 8th, his second inning of work. With one out, he lets up a double to Harrison. This is a fast runner; we know this because it was a hustle double. He's the tying run, definitely in scoring position. Gsellman stays in against the righty Greiner. Gets a ground ball out. Harrison moves to third, but there are now two outs. Mickey then goes to Diaz. Ok, sure, we're going for a 4 put save. The Tigers are awful, it's their 8 hitter, Jacoby Jones is hitting well under .200, but ok, the closer comes in. Diaz lets up a single and the game is tied. He faces one more batter, strikes him out. 13 pitches total. Mets go down in order. Pitcher spot doesn't come up. Diaz is lifted and doesn't pitch the ninth. So if the plan was a four out save (which Mickey admitted was the plan) but the second he allows one hit, you pull him? This doesn't make sense.

What bothers me isn't how it played out so much--which of course was dumb and counterproductive-- but how the whole thing was approached. Like everything with the Mets it's all a big show of solving last year's problems this year and it's almost never about solving today's problem today.





https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2019/03/02/new-york-mets-plan-use-edwin-diaz-ninth-inning-not-earlier/3029717002/Here's Mickey in March:

"We didn't have Diaz last year. We didn't have a guy that did that. The way he went about his business last year and was probably the best closer in baseball, to take him out of that role would be tough. He knows he's got the ninth. He's going to go out there and pitch well in the ninth for us. He knows what to expect going in."

Now here he is earlier this week:

“[The eighth inning] hasn't been handled, so we have to adjust. I think the last two games, there could have been arguments where it would have been nice to be able to have Diaz come in and get an out in the eighth. It might have made it a little easier.”

Why make yourself look like an idiot unless it was all about demonstrating how inadequate last year's team was? NOBODY CARES.

[Edgy MD]

The Mick is engaged in so much over-thinking.



"He knows he's got the ninth. He's going to go out there and pitch well in the ninth for us. He knows what to expect going in."



This is such fatuous nonsense. Does he come into the eighth with the tying run on and get disoriented? Is he unsure of whether or not to pitch well?



Did bringing Font into a tie game in the ninth make sense because, somehow, Font knows more than others what to expect going in.



You have a tie game going into the ninth. Your job, as manager, is to stretch your best available pitcher as long as you can. It's not that hard.