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You're confused about whether you're confused.
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I think you've confused Ron Hodges with Rod Kanehl.
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We'll never know
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I'm far from sure as well, but it was definitely a possibility.
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Interesting to go back to the initial post in this long thread. If the Mets would have signed him to a five-year deal on the day of Post #1, then they'd be looking at having him signed up through 2027, which would be their ideal contract at this point in time.
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Me, too. But he might like money more than he likes us.
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Well, technically you've got hundreds of available 1bmen. Problem is, all of them suck. You've got players in AAA who can be forced into playing 1B, all the way down to rookie league players, plus the available free agents who've been cut by other organizations. None of them are desirable solutions. But if you've got a player (and the Mets have at least two--Mauricio and Acuna) who've shown signs of being solid defensive MLB SSs and given glimmers of offensive ability, and a guy under contract through 2031 (when he'll be in his late 30s) who can unquestionably hit with any 1bman and almost certainly field like a Gold Glove first baseman, you might consider trying that solution out, instead of throwing money that will probably be wasted at Alonso. I think he will get the contract he wants from some other team, and that team will most likely have to eat the last few unproductive years of that six or seven year deal. I'd rather the Mets spent those millions on younger Free Agents.
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Not if you've got three shortstops and no first baseman you don't.
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Someone should make "Generic Music Biopic." Dude alienates family by choosing music as his career, hooks up with a series of untalented bandmates, perseveres, drugs, sexual relationships, more drugs, better bandmates, more drugs, breakthrough hit, alcohol, romantic interest, followup hit, family accepts him, marriage and child, classic hit, more drugs and alcohol, divorce, new sexual relationships, band breaks up, solo album, depression, rehab, more drugs, suicide attempt, more rehab, period of isolation, second marriage, second solo album, second divorce, band re-forms, series of major hits, series of romantic attachments, more hits, biopic gets made, the end.
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Peterson wasn't a prospect? Or he didn't work out?
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And we'd probably have let it slide if we weren't Mets fans. I mean, you could tell me that Hector Lopez or Bruce Bochy hit 27 HRs his rookie year, and I might have let that pass, but Benny? I've just had a very similar exchange with Google's Gemini about an error it made on a book I'm currently writing. It told me a character said something that I know he didn't say, and when I pointed that out, it told me "Sorry" but said that speech belonged to a different character who didn't even exist. After much back and forth, finally the AI program said it wouldn't continue to give me feedback because it was wasting so much of my time. Also, in the "third time through the order" thread I noted that I asked AI to tell me pitch-count stats that I know are kept somewhere and it told me it couldn't supply them, just general statements about pitchcounts, even when I asked specific questions. It couldn't tell me, for example, how many pitches David Peterson had thrown in each inning 1-9, and I know that data is out there somewhere. It is, however, GREAT at apologizing.
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Agbayani? I must been asleep the season he hit 27.
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Very few players reach their career highs in their first year. Some do, I suppose, but the vast majority--maybe 90%? more?--surpass their rookie records consistently later on. You want to assume that Vientos will never hit more than 27 HRs again? Or Alvarez 25? Or even Baty at whatever number of HRs he's going to hit this year? I'm going to assume the opposite, and the odds will back me up. Just take the batters who've ever hit 27 HRs or more in their rookie seasons and average out their lifetime HR totals and you'll be up around 400, I'd suppose. Or catchers who broke in with 25 or more. It's a short list but very impressive.
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The stats I presented (24 HR, 76 RBI in 678 ABs this season, 31 HRs and 87 RBI in 566 ABs last season) resemble full-season stats for one full-time regular. (Alonso and Lindor finished last season about halfway between those two figures, 608 and 618 ABs respectively). So I think it's a fair and easily understood way to look at how productive the three young infielders have been. To read the pissing and the moaning here about how these three horrible incompetents have been killing the Mets, you would never believe that these are in fact their full-season stats. I'll bet if you told one of the pissers and moaners that the Mets could swap the three of them to get one player with those stats in his mid-20s who could play 2B, SS, and 3B and will almost certainly improve in the near future, he'd be ecstatic. "Do it, do it, do it!" he would exclaim. "But where are you finding a team dumb enough to lose those three clowns in exchange for such a star?"
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It solves a lot of potential problems if the Mets have a very hard time getting Alonso to agree on a contract, which they probably will. Let's say Pete is looking for a six-year deal at top dollar, and the Mets are looking for a three-year deal, max, at somewhat less than record-shattering top dollar, and they just can't come to terms. Both sides are thinking the other side blinks first, but meantime some other team offers Pete all he's looking to get and more. So he leaves. Now the Mets have no first baseman. But they do have a logjam of MLB-ready and affordable middle infielders, plus a shortstop who hits like a first baseman and is losing range at SS. Makes all the sense in the world to me, especially if replacing Pete at 1B will cost a fortune and still yield an inferior first baseman. And if the Mets do end up with Lindor at 1b next year, all I ask is a simple plaque acknowledging where you first came upon this idea.
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And he'll make a great defensive first baseman instead of deteriorating into a mediocre shortstop by the end of his contract. Remember, you read it here first. The Mets have two young MLB-ready players at ss and possibly a gigantic hole at 1B.
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Yeah!!!! And depending on how it works out, you get to decide if Stearns dealt the correct redundancy!! Why not deal off all three? I'll tell you why. Because at least one of them is going to become a star and you might get very little in return for dealing off another Jeff Kent, who also sucked. So you'd rather keep all three even as they bring down the Mets now just in case one at some point down the line becomes a star? That logic is flawless and you are truly a genius. Well, thank you. Very kind of you to say that. "at some point down the line" could start tonight. All of these young guys have great AAA credentials, pretty fair MLB stats so far, and none of them are killing us this year or last year. As I said elsewhere, you combine their numbers and collectively it looks like the power stats of one very good full-time young middle infielder-3Bman.
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Some men see things the way they are and ask "Why?" I see things the way they aren't and ask "Why not?"
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How about they move Lindor over to 1B for the rest of his career? He seems to have taken a step back defensively, and he can still hit as well as a 1Bman should. And then they can play Mauricio (or Acuna?) at short, and use the money they would have spent on a long-term contract for Alonso on the best young free agent around.
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I think you're too close to it or it means too much to you. "Bad luck' or "A rough stretch" is exactly what I'd call what's going on right now. When they're on a 7-game winning streak, they seem unbeatable.
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The odd part is that while they do indeed suck, the top of the order is a scarily productive bunch of hitters most any team would like to have and the bottom half of the order is full of young hitters most teams would agree are bound collectively to improve in the near future and which has been pretty productive for the past few weeks. It's tough for me to look at any part of the Mets' offense and say I'd swap 'em out for a bag of balls--they're a mostly young group of good hitters who happen to be playing terribly right now. But I wouldn't bet a lot of money that they're going to suck starting this evening.
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Do you believe in "third time through the order"?
roger_that replied to roger_that's topic in New York Mets Talk
I don't even remember what he's yakking about, bringing up an irrelevant conversation we had months ago into a thread about something else entirely. But I do know that Mays gets credit for 8 All-Star games in 4 years. -
Do you believe in "third time through the order"?
roger_that replied to roger_that's topic in New York Mets Talk
Keep telling yourself that ********. You've got an audience that will lap that stuff up and beg for more. You do you. Tell me, though. If Rob Manfred decided that next season, because they're such crowd-pleasers, he'll decree eight All star games (not impossible with this bozo) then the players who get selected to play in all 8 are as legitimate as the guys who had to get elected in eight different years? -
Did nothing for me. A lot of boohooing about the tough life of a would-be band member playing crummy gigs at Long Island's many crummy venues for years and years (paying doooooz!) and a lot of soap opera crap about stupid life decisions made by a not especially bright musician when he was a kid. I never got Billy Joel, so my opinion is clouded by that understanding. I watched only the first 45 minutes or so.
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Collectively, this year so far they've got 24 HR, 76 RBI in 678 ABs. I think you can probably say fairly they will improve from here. That's not bad for a full season of one infielder. Last year, they (Baty and Vientos combined, no Mauricio) had 31 HRs and 87 RBI in 566 ABs. Again, not too bad. Not exactly a useless slag heap.
