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=batmagadanleadoff post_id=96371 time=1655499922 user_id=68] Bobby Heise?

Duffy Dyer Not an infielder. Pay attention. For those scoring at home, we've added "infielder," "played for a post-season Mets squad" and "none of the obscure Mets mentioned so far." As an added bonus, I'll throw in that he came to the club when a famous Met went on the IL and left when he came back to the team.

=MFS62 post_id=96366 time=1655499225 user_id=60] Bobby Pfeil Later

=kcmets post_id=96362 time=1655499015 user_id=53] Dick Sohard? We need more clues.

Chad ochoseis wrote: Which was weird--this was a very famous Metly team Ya gotta believe it's '73. Or perhaps '69. Yes.

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lute Barnes. No

Chad ochoseis wrote: I will answer yes-or-no questions Was he an infielder? Yes

Edgy MD wrote: Darren Reed. No

=kcmets post_id=96348 time=1655497555 user_id=53]Toby Myerson

=MFS62 post_id=96347 time=1655497464 user_id=60] Dave Schneck Later

...as of today. Not a current Met, and not a well-known Met, but someone who wore the orange and blue long, long ago for a brief, almost minuscule period of time. He played for a Met team I watched very closely, and which sticks in my memory very clearly, but the reason I contacted him this morning was that I did not recognize his name at all. Not even vaguely. Which was weird--this was a very famous Metly team, and I have a ridiculously capacious memory. So I reached out, to a friend who has some MLB connections, and he raised an old email address for me, which got me right to him. I wrote him about coincidences--our birthdays are one day apart, and he grew up in the same town my dad is from, and GET THIS! Turns out, both he and his dad worked for the same company that my grandfather founded. After his baseball career, he worked for this company for thirty years, and has only nice things to say about it. (My granddad had an excellent reputation for being a fair employer.) He got rehired every winter by the company during his baseball career, and they took him on full-time after he retired from baseball. He wrote me back with this info, and expressed some interest in hearing more from me. I sometimes visit family in that town, and I expect to meet him in person whenever this pandemic lets me travel again. Seems to be a real nice fellow, answered me almost instantly and eagerly. Just for fun, based on what I've given you-- played well over thirty years ago, played extremely briefly, comes from a smallish city or town, is still living--would you care to guess at his identity? I will answer yes-or-no questions, and entertain wild guesses, until you figure out who my correspondent is.

I'm going with an out-of-control STD until informed otherwise.

Edgy MD wrote: Did you not see it? A few times. But it still didn't make much sense to me. If Marte did not take off when the ball first bounced, wouldn't it have been relatively easy to throw him out at almost any point? He couldn't have known that the shortstop would get his feet all tangled up. Normally, that would be a straightforward play, SS to C. Did Marte screw up and get away with it? Or was that planned somehow?

=Fman99 post_id=96282 time=1655464835 user_id=86] =roger_that post_id=96281 time=1655463809 user_id=128] What a bonehead move, sending the runner home with only one out. Total gift.

What a bonehead move, sending the runner home with only one out. Total gift.

I'll take it.

Lip-readers alert: Ashby saying "Fuck!" after Canha HR. Couldn't have been plainer. At 0:21 here:

=kcmets post_id=96202 time=1655424222 user_id=53] Lindor is in the 2-5 slot? Make up your mind.

I feel good when slots 2-5 are up, not so otherwise. And I ain't feeling so good about Lindor lately

And how does flipping nimmo from 1 to 2 accomplish that?

Wtf is Buck thinking there?

=Gwreck post_id=96178 time=1655413622 user_id=56]* Why, in this exercise, would we attribute Ryan's entire career to the Mets after undoing the trade? He hit free agency multiple times in his career and could have been reacquired by the Mets any number of times.

Mora is also a great choice, though. In the three seasons from 2003-5, he had 14.6 WAR, but the Mets were pretty sucky in the Art Howe years so it's pretty questionable if he was sufficient to get them into contention. Also the issue of the 2000 pennant comes up--he was swapped out for Mike Bordick, generally felt to be a poor trade, but you really can't complain about the immediate results.

Both Kazmir and Ryan deals are equals in value received (bupkis) but Ryan had so much longer a career as a dominating pitcher (even if considered an innings-eater, which he was, too) that I think he maybe answers the OP here, in terms of "numbers of World's Championships his loss cost the Mets." I think Ryan's peak was higher than Kazmir's too, and he repeated that season about a dozen times.

Looking over the Ryan deal, it's now clear to me that Ryan-for-Fregosi cost us a few pennants and World's Championships, in 1972, a WC in '73, then '74, '75, and '76. Most of these years the Mets finished in 3rd place, a few games over .500, while Ryan racked up WAR like 6.0 with 300 IP and an ERA well below 2.00, Meantime, we were starting never-weres like Hank Webb, Randy Tate, Harry Parker. Maybe 1974 is pushing it (a 71 win season is hard to overcome with any one player) but the mid-70s could have been a terrific period for the Mets with Ryan and minus Fregosi. Instead I remember it like a lingering migraine.