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yeaaaaaaaa muffy. Doubles Duda to third. 0 outs. Now come on....we GOTTA SCORE.

What a shame. Well, we still got a game to win. Personally I would have gone with my "bump" system, and a lead off single in the 8th would have been that bump, but, dats'A baseball.

The other Torres can't get the job done. 4-3

Bumper Cap Torres makes a BIG fool out of big Ryan Howard. Huge K. GJ!

3-3, 1st & 3rd, 1 out. This will not help keep Kase out of traction.

annnnnnnnd the Phils tie it. jeezeLAfreakinweeze

Robles comes in and gives up a 2 run triple. Not good. 1 out.

Uhg. I so hate these Philly broadcasters. I could stomach McCarthy when he worked with Harry, but since he's passed Mac's dipped nose in Phanatic poo. Phils trying to reach deGrom. 2 on, no out, 8th. And deGroms night is over.

9 Ks for deGrom. Exquisite. Up to 98 pitches.

Ashie62 wrote: Nah, he's learning to hit the other way all on his own. Then if his next at bat gives him that opportunity, I want him to go for it. Actually his rip up the middle was left of center, so I do believe you are right.

My expectations include winning, especially this season. If we aren't contending in September you'll hear plenty more of my illogical views.

Duda's got to start laying down 3rd base bunts once a game.

Phils booth didn't think he should have bunted at all that at bat. I disagree with that, but after one try I'd let deGrom swing. Wouldn't do that with other Mets pitchers. He must have thought that was foul. Still, no excuse though.

Cuddy drove in 2 more in that 3rd inning and it's 3-0 deGrominators.

I would not hold any of those shortstops to the same standards I hold Flores. Maybe Elster. I got on his case a bit back then. I also considered him a MUCH better SS than Flores in the field so maybe not. Buddy Harrelson is one of my fav Mets SS of all time and I never expected him to hit more homers than make errors. It's all about expectations.

I love that list !!!

Yeaaa, Duda, RBI single. Credit deGrom for not letting them double him up. Nice rip by Dudy. 1-0 Mets

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: "But he has to keep the HRs above the errors through out the second half. If he makes it past the ASG it shouldn't be too hard to meet my expectations. I'm not asking too much from the guy." -- Judged by the history of the position, this is virtually the definition of asking too much from him. In the case of Flores I think it's a pretty fair measuring stick. I mean, what he's there for. To hit homers. If he can't do it, and he can't field at least average, he shouldn't be there in the first place. But Sandy made his choice. I'm for giving Flores the time he needs to succeed. And that would be early July. I don't understand a single bit of the logic being used here. Not the initial part behind this arbitrary linkage between HRs & errors; not why you seem to think that it should apply to Flores in particular; not how he, presumably more than others, was brought it "to hit homers"; not why his inevitable replacement, almost certainly to fall short of the same standard, wouldn't be subject to the same rigor. It's all there in my comments, my reasoning. He's got a job to do. In light of what the team says they expect from him, and in turn what I expect from him, he needs to do certain things to be acceptable as a shortstop. Don't look for logic here. This is a fan who thinks logically Flores should not be our shortstop. But the team went that way. I'll support the decision up to a certain point, with my own specifics in mind. Think of it as a "fan thing" if you want. I'm just stating my views. Honestly, following baseball, I do not hold all players to the same standard. It's usually what they are supposed to be doing as opposed to what they are actually doing. Expectations.

Frayed Knot wrote: "But he has to keep the HRs above the errors through out the second half. If he makes it past the ASG it shouldn't be too hard to meet my expectations. I'm not asking too much from the guy." -- Judged by the history of the position, this is virtually the definition of asking too much from him. In the case of Flores I think it's a pretty fair measuring stick. I mean, what he's there for. To hit homers. If he can't do it, and he can't field at least average, he shouldn't be there in the first place. But Sandy made his choice. I'm for giving Flores the time he needs to succeed. And that would be early July.

You won't find any non-Mets on my shit list because I don't give a shit about non-Mets. I don't care one iota about shortstops playing for other teams and what they have to do. The Flores experiment, to me, is a simple one. He's here for his bat, for his long ball power. If he can't meet my criteria he fails as this teams shortstop, IMO. This does not apply to all the SS's in baseball. Just our Wilmer. If he's close at the ASbreak, like 16 errors and 15 homers, I'll cut him some slack. Right now I do realize he has contributed powerfully to some wins, but how many? How many 3 run homers has Flofeets hit? 3? 4 inc the granny? How many games has he won with his bat? How many errors has he made that contributed directly to a loss? These things should be considered too, but if he has more HRs than errors at the ASB it makes it a lot easier to move forward w/Wilma @ SS. And during this season I would not go outside the organization for a fix a short (unless it's the perfect deal with the perfect addition). I wouldn't trade Matz for anyone. I have another list that smells like roses, and he's pretty high on that one. A lefty who can bring it. I'd deal Wheeler or Noah first, if we HAVE to involve a starting pitcher. I'd much rather see us hold on to all our top pitchers and bring up Reynolds if Wilma falls flat(footed). Reynolds should be up for Wright already (imo) which wouldn't address the SS problem because I'd have him at third for now. And I'd leave Wilmer alone until July (if he doesn't absolutely fall apart in between).

So lets see where we're at with Flores. Games: 40 Homeruns: 7 RBI: 19 Errors: 9 Until he has more homers than errors he's on my shit list. What percentage of everyday shortstops do you suppose out-homer their error total in a given year? ... I don't know either, but I'd venture a guess that it's decidedly in the minority, both now and in the history of the game. This isn't an evaluation of the average shortstop. This is "The Flores Power Vs. Fielding Chart". Alls he has to do is have more home runs than errors at the ASbreak and he can continue on at short. But he has to keep the HRs above the errors through out the second half. If he makes it past the ASG it shouldn't be too hard to meet my expectations. I'm not asking too much from the guy. Your comment is very interesting though. Both of us watched baseball for many years when the norm at short was all glove, light bat. Up until the mid 80's I guess, but still many teams leaned towards a glove as opposed to offense at short.

So lets see where we're at with Flores. Games: 40 Homeruns: 7 RBI: 19 Errors: 9 Until he has more homers than errors he's on my shit list.

Newy let me down the most. I expected him to do just fine. He looked hopeless at the plate.

Ashie62 wrote: Wish it was Matt Reynolds. Ditto. WTF is wrong w/ Reynolds? I read in a NYC newspaper that some scout (not to be named of course) says he's not cut out for playing everyday in the bigs. What makes him say this? And why should anybody be listening to some anonymous scout?

Somebody educate me as to who Dan Boitano is/was? I see he's a RHP but I've never heard of the guy.