LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The Ibanez one was well-struck. Like that one. (The regression to the mean for our pen continues.) No, our pen is still good. This isn't regressing to the mean it's something else entirely. I mean yesterday was Izzy anad K-Rod, each legtimately talented pitchers and K-Rod probably the best closer in the game right now. Yes, but neither one of them is going scoreless for a month again. (Especially Isringhausen.) iNdeed. wasn't try to pin it on any once aspect just that the one place the Phillies are clearly much better than the Mets is the starting pitching. If you neutralize that advantage, you should beat them. They're also among the best-- if not the best-- defensive team in the league, top to bottom. And they're fantastic situational hitters-- both PHs and lineup regulars. (I'd be the first to say "SSS," but it's been that way for the better part of the Manuel era.) fair enough. Obviously they're not going scoreless for a month, which is why it sucks that their bad inning(s) coincided with a tight game against a divisional opponent. bad luck, or some 'bad team' philosophy where the pitching and hitting don't line up when you want? Yes, they're good situational hitters, and take the bases when they need them. But we made it easy for them in that regard. 2 outs soft single up the middle for Rollins and we can't get them out? (I would've kept Pelf in, but that's hardly a given or anything) They don't make a ton of errors (although they have been this weekend) but they're not infallible either. We were good defensively for most of this year too, but suddenly we're making errors that they capitalize on and they make errors and we don't. bad timing? small sample size? we hit Oswalt a lot, but a lot of the hits were two outs. 2 two outs hits that don't score a run because they were singles with no one on. Although I would say while I do really like our bullpen, I'm not real sold on the situational parts of it. I kinda wish Collins stopped using it like that.