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Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: the crap they get back The whole point is that Beltran is only going if they can get something OTHER than crap back. Hard to tell what's a genuine leak and what's rumor and crap. There are certainly those saying the Mets _have_ to trade Beltran no matter what since they won't get draft picks. And hey, maybe 2 pretty pathetic 'prospects' is better than nothing if the Mets lose 5 games in the standings before August (not that I expect that)

Edgy DC wrote: Maybe an unanticipated side effect of the ASG no-show act is that the team pissed off the rest of their league and used up any congratulatory good will Jeter's opponents may have been allowing to creep into their cold hearts. Maybe, but I'd hope teams that play them regularly realize how elitist they are already, although some quotes from the Rays seem to suggest otherwise.

I assume this thread was going to be about Beltran being traded.

Did Collins say Reyes was supposed to run in the outfield and the bases tonight, or tomorrow? One of those, and then they'll plan his return. no problems, Terry implied it'd be Monday.

It also appears to me, that Alderson isn't afraid to not trade him either. If the Mets gain 2+ games on the Braves in the next two weeks, if the crap they get back isn't worth it. Maybe that's just a ploy to make him not sound desperate, but still. It's also nice to see that Terry said something like "If players feel like the K-Rod trade is the organization giving up, and they stop giving it their all, they'll find someone else to take that spot."

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: MFYs getting hammered in Toronto, anyway. If the shine is off the Colon, they could be in trouble.

Edgy DC wrote: Sure, but Wright's been around the clubhouse playing his share of cards. I meant in-game. We all know Wright's a shark when it comes to cards.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The video they played showed Rep. Elijah Cummings reading Pettitte's wife's affadavit... with highlighted text on the screen outlining her remembrance of Andy telling her that Clemens had admitted using steroids. This'll probably get pushed back at least to September. 9/2 I think WFAN said. Hmm, if they drag this out another year and a half or so, it'll be going on while voters are seeing him on the ballot.

TransMonk wrote: Well, I think it depends as much on the pitcher. I'm thinking more specifically on a guy like Pelfrey, who I think will mostly pitch to Paulino for the remainder of the year. I'm guessing in that situation, it's a question of confidence...which Paulino seems to help him with. Maybe Thole didn't get enough of a chance...but maybe Thole lacks a little confidence of his own. For Niese and Dickey, it doesn't seem to matter much who they throw to. here's a thought..maybe Pelfrey misses _Wright_ . He struggled in April and was probably beyond help at that point, but Wright's been known to go to the mound to settle Pelf down or encourage/tough love him.

TransMonk wrote: I'm not totally sold on Thole yet. His hitting and defense are one thing, but the fact that some of our pitchers have better stats when Paulino is catching is equally alarming to me. edited: all to some I thought he did a good job with catching last year, and at least wasn't a liability. But maybe it's just a small sample size and that he pitched when the season was mostly over. Catcher-Pitcher relationships confuse me the most. How much they really do, how much is the pitcher just sucking, coincidence that Thole was pitching when they get shelled? Is it Thole's call or did the pitcher/does the pitcher shake him off more _because_ he's sorta a rookie? I wonder how much a veteran/expert like Santana coming back helps.

Willets Point wrote: The best thing about this trade is that now all the top threads on the 'Pool are about K-Rod rather than Jeter. Gradually we may reach a point where the threads are about players currently on the Mets. Hopefully by this time next week they're all about Reyes again.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Wright to join the St. Lucie Mets on Friday. The goal is to have him return to the big leagues by July 22 when the Mets are in Miami. I'm hopeful for Wright. Not expecting a relapse, especially since he was playing through the injury anyway. Not slated for another test, so I doubt he doesn't return. Reyes is supposed to run tomorrow. Since he supposedly was on the field doing normal baseball type stuff at the All-Star Game, is it reasonable to expect he's probably okay, they were just conservative? If he runs tomorrow, is he activiated Monday? Do they get him a rehab start? is it in Brooklyn so he doesn't have to go away? Ike still seems a ways off, but it sounds like he _is_ healing now. At least no microfracture.

It's interesting, as far as save % goes, even the best closers blow a game more than 1 in 10. Frankie 86% for his career.

seawolf17 wrote: Boras: "So, Sandy. Just calling to let you know that we've got that list of ten teams just about narrowed down for you, heh heh." Sandy: "Yeah, about that..." One day, I hope someone writes a book about this guy and the behind the scenes stuff. Bet there's some rather intriguing maneuverings going on, much like this.

smg58 wrote: Show me a team that has two closers and I'll show you a team that has none. Roenicke needed to make a definitive decision so that the move helps the team more than it hurts, and it appears he's done the opposite of that. Why do you think Girardi wished Soriano into the cornfield?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: Can we sign Prince Fielder? 3-run home run scores Beltran. Beltran and Fielder high-five at home plate..obviously they're schmoozing for next year right? Anyway, Justin Timberlake totally seemed sarcastic when he kept saying "Joe you call a great game" Missed this during the game. But I just caught the video. Suffice it to say, I'm stifling a giggle, and I am a much bigger Justin Timberlake fan than I was before. "Good game, Joe... you're calling a great game..." That he went out of his way to sneak that in at the very end for, like, the 4th time, made me LOLz. Joe seemed to like that talk as much as he liked DWI Gracey and Timberlake bonding over how much they both love delicious BEER. Could you tell? Buck's voice lacked inflection the entire game. A robot would call a better game.

metirish wrote: Ceetar's not taking the piss? Kidding, K-Rod has given rise to some great discussion since he got here. I think we've already established I don't want a golden shower. So, what are our picks for roster replacement? Probably between Igarashi, O'Connor and Thayer given 40man status? Igarashi has a .087 ERA with a nice K/9 rate..

Edgy DC wrote: That last line is kind of particuarly unfair --- to the team, to us, and to Manny Acosta. I don't get the hangup. He's pitched 12 innings this year. bad innings. and he's slated for more. What, I'm not allowed to think a particular reliever is particularly bad?

I think it's fairly clear that I'm unable to fully articulate what I'm try to say here. But most of my focus is on the here and now, on this season. It's not some decade long picture where I focus on the entire organizational direction towards some grand goal down the road of playoffs every year and winning 6 championships to tie the "Subway Series Race" or whatever, though that'd be nice. It's this season, this individual race, or non-race, or whatever you want to call it. It's not that my 'excitement' for payroll flexibility is limited. but it's just that, flexibility. No telling how much Alderson bends yet. There are endless, boring months where the Islanders will put up loss after loss and my twitter feed will be filled with boring Jets fans to discuss the relatives merits of various free agent pick ups and how theycould fit into the 2012+ Mets. This was inevitable. And there will be others, including resigning Reyes and arbriration raises and maybe guys they let go that affect that line. But today to me is just a step for next year, and i never had any doubt taht Sandy was going to let that option cripple him. It's no more exciting than releasing Perez or Castillo was (and I know many of you disagree with me on that one too). Their money comes off the books next year too, and is a bigger (combined anyway) part of the picture. I expected something a little more tangible out of a trade. Trades and injuries and i'd like to see something nice added to the team for once instaed of Manny Acosta.

Vic Sage wrote: i hereby renounce my title as TiTTS founder, and pass the crown to the Cee-man. Remember to uphold the TiTTS with pride. Last time I did that my wife hit me. what are we talking about?

Ashie62 wrote: Ceetar wrote: I don't see why you're insistant on extrapolating on what I'm saying. All I'm saying is this news does not mean "yay, now we get Reyes!" We could still not get him. We could've gotten him anyway. It's also not a given that the 17.5 is more value than K-Rod provides. (If you need an example, What if last year the Yankees had decided not to spend the 15mill on Mariano and had used it to sign Feliciano and Soriano? Not quite teh same as they're all relievers, but the guy you spend the money on could be Mo Vaughn or just trip and break his leg for that matter) The percentages suggest it's much much more likely. But that's all a GM really controls, percentages. (Paraphrasing Sandy here) The almost certain probability that this ultimately makes the Mets better in the long run is not exciting. It's merely a good financial decision, but in terms of how I feel about the team in general, at this moment, it's hardly more than buying an energy efficient refridgerator. Sure, that money saved probably allows me to keep Netflix even with the price going up, but the fridge could still end up causing brown outs or end up being a faulty model. Sitting back with legs up waiting for Ceetar to start therapy. Cmon dude...Players come and go. Don't torture yourself.. The only thing torturing me is the 51 hours until Mets baseball. I'm not excited about offseason fiduciary concerns, but i'm extremely excited for the next 70+ Mets baseball games.

Edgy DC wrote: Thus the return to the emotional argument when the rational one is unsustainable. And I'm here to remind you that the 2011 Mets will be fine. They may finish in the money, and they may finish out, but the difference is so totally unlikely be to be presence of Francisco Rodriguez that you needn't trouble your sleep. I'd say it's more likely that the sudden available funds and the emotional eruption that comes from a newly signed Reyes (to be announce within 18 hours) is what put them over the top. If I changed course and talked rational argument it's because someone misinterpreted my statements. All I've ever meant to say is the emotional one. I doubt Reyes is resigned until the Einhorn deal is finalized, which I doubt happens while he's in Vegas. I expected Frankie to get traded, or at least his option to be avoided in some way, since the season started. The only surprise on my part is that it happened last night instead of a week or two from now. I'm not the GM, I'm not trying to analyze trades like one. I'm not even disagreeing, I'm merely not excited about the sudden influx of cash. Or anymore excited than I was planning to be this offseason anyway. But that's it, I get caught up in the resign-Reyes stuff because he's freaking awesome and is and should be a Mets legend, but really I'm not going to get excited about the offseason until it's upon us. Belief in a playoff berth or not, to start dividing up the salaries towards some sort of future acquisition is writing off this season as uninteresting and not worth watching. It's baseball, it's back in two days. I watch Spring Training games and the All-Star game, I was at the last game of 2009 , it's not like i'm only invested in these season for some diamond in the rough Santana as a 5-game winner savior in September hope.

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Gwreck wrote: Worley's pitching? http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers/index.jsp?c_id=phi Indeed, I was wondering that was merely cause he was next in the rotation or because Manuel'd announced it. Seems like he'd want to start off with Halladay-Lee again, despite the inning they threw Tuesday.

Edgy DC wrote: Yes, the Mets, despite the huge amount of better things to do with the money, could still mis-spend it, out of bad luck or poor wisdom. But this isn't optimism. At all. And if you think that a team shouldn't avoid tremendously bad investments because they're only going to find worse ones, then you shouldn't be a GM. K-Rod (God forbid) could die in a car wreck just as easy as the guy they otherwise sign. That risk is on both sides of the equation, for God's sake. Ceetar wrote: The almost certain probability that this ultimately makes the Mets better in the long run is not exciting. Is it the emotional argument or the logical one you're going to stick to, because you keep conceding the latter to return to the former only to re-assert the latter. I'm really not sure I'm _arguing_ anything. I'm confessing and opinion that I don't find this anything to get excited about. Yes, their is risk on both sides of the equation. But I'm not going to get excited about the unknown one merely on a pile of cash that may or may not be used. And really, this has nothing to do with Rodriguez. The Mets no longer have him. It's over. I'm not overly excited about the Mets ability to spend 40 million instead of 30, or however it ultimately works out. If the Mets bring in a pitcher, say Kuroda, as the first name off the top of my head, and I think he can help, I'm not going to be less excited about it if he makes 9 million instead of 6. When Sandy Alderson selects a player from the Brewers, and I can look him up and think "Hey, maybe that guy could get some people out with that curve ball!" I'll get excited about it.