Ceetar

metsmarathon wrote: perhaps the correct algorithm for determining net games back should attribute only half a game back for htose interstitial teams you're behind in the standings. that might produce a response of a more intuitive scale. if you're 10 games behind the leader, but 8 games behind second place, my proposition would suggest that you're 14 NGB instead of 18. likewise, if you're 2 games back of the leader, but 1 game behind second place, i would suggest that you are 2.5 NGB instead of 3. but really, it doesn't matter. the intent is to show that instead of simply besting one team, there are other guys in the way whose performances are somewhat independent of your own and the leader's. and so it's not necessarily instructive to look simply at the GB column to ascertain how big a hurdle must be cleared. going to the finger lakes instead, but otherwise it'd be tempting. I think Beltran has to be traded by Saturday due to his no-trade clause and the paperwork associated with it all. The Mets didn't lose any ground to the Braves since the break, but that wasn't the point, they were supposed to _gain_ ground. I think August 5-7th against the Braves is really the Mets decisive series in terms of "out of it" though.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It occurred to me a few days ago that it's quite possible that Mike Pelfrey will be non-tendered this offseason. It's been a common sentiment for a while now. Personally I doubt it, but either him or Dickey are probably the clear 'upgrade' targets if they're going to go after a good pitcher.

Pelf needs to realize this year is not last year. different FO, etc. But what it boils down to is that Alderson himself said it'd be a white flag if they traded Beltran, and cited the last week or so, where the Mets went 5-6. Had they gone 8-3 they'd be 4 losses back of the Braves and maybe Beltran wouldn't be going anywhere. So if the FO appears to 'give up' on them, it's because they basically deserved it.

Larry weighs in: Chipper doesn't see how Beltran helps the Braves It's pretty obvious Larry, if the Mets trade Beltran, it makes it harder for them to catch your 4-6 Last 10 reeling team.

Edgy DC wrote: Dogs. It's so easy. but you'd scare the feral cat colony!

Yankees beating up on the useless Mariners. Braves losing 2-0 to the Pirates. and the Phillies lost too.

Edgy DC wrote: Hope the season never ends. I don't really think that was related to some Rodriguez, so much. He got two bad breaks on batted balls, and then he pitched around the guy he wanted nothing to do with. The wages of relief pitching is stress. not that Rodriguez didn't have his fair share of bad breaks.

themetfairy wrote: D-Dad, MK and I will be in the house next Monday, August 1st. Who else will be around for the first game after the road trip? welcoming Wright back? I'm thinking about it. $5 (which becomes $6.75 after fees) on mets.com.

Edgy DC wrote: Freakin' Amazin'. back to .500..come on Pirates.

Edgy DC wrote: Love the Murphy show around the bag. http://www.ceetar.com/sounds/MIRACLEPLAY.wav

Edgy DC wrote: Tying run up in the person of Votto after Parnell walks Lewis. Hagin already talking like the lead has been blown. blow this. 0-2 to Frazier, 2 outs.

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: You seem to be some sort of 'experiment for next year' strategy, which isn't where the Mets are at. It's where they should be. When Beltran leaves, Duda needs to be playing every day, even if it's at Bay's expense. not quite. but I agree at this point it's Duda that I'd like to see get some more OF time (or Evans, but we know that's not happening)

smg58 wrote: And again, Duda sits against the righty. He was starting to get warm, which is more than I can say for Bay. I don't see how Turner has earned the right to start over him, either. We still haven't determined if Murphy is our second baseman of the future, which I think is an important goal for the rest of the season. If we can keep sending Thole out to catch Dickey, we can try Duda at first and Murphy at second. You seem to be some sort of 'experiment for next year' strategy, which isn't where the Mets are at. Good inning there. nice to see.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Pagan gets a day to hydrate. Other than that walkoff homer, I don;t think he's accomplished anything so far this year. he had a pretty good two week stretch or so when he came off the DL, but tailed off again after that. Roughly when Reyes went down, but that's likely unrelated.

And... no. No midweek minors game for Johan? July, 25, 2011By Adam Rubin Johan Santana throws a bullpen session Sunday in Miami. Despite weekend suggestions Johan Santana is ready to proceed to a minor league game on Wednesday -- including from Santana himself -- GM Sandy Alderson indicated the ace is likely to instead throw another simulated game, according to a tweet from Binghamton Mets beat writer Lynn Worthy. Santana threw a bullpen session Sunday in Miami and had suggested a midweek game would be next if he awoke Monday feeling up to it. But everyone stressed the plan was fluid and subject to change. Alderson told the Press & Sun-Bulletin of Binghamton on Sunday night via email: "The next outing for Johan will be in a controlled setting in Port St. Lucie." Seems like step two in the gradual rollout of the white flag. I don't know about that. Given the giant clusterfuck of reporters they let watch him Sunday, I always presumed htere would be a ton of speculation and assertions about what would happen next. But I was surprised when the rumors of a real game were brought up, because I really didn't think they wanted to start that 30 day clock. A controlled situation probably doesn't set his rehab back, but allows them to better keep the pace slow, so taht either he progresses and they give him a couple of majors starts, or they don't, and can keep him on the DL.

soupcan wrote: How about if we don't split hairs? Jose Reyes is awesome. period.

in the post: "The ball landed foul four feet and [umpire] Paul Pryor said it was a fair ball," Blyleven said Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/bert_pays_tribute_to_the_kid_2Oh14l2pBT17djFSfwPkgM#ixzz1T7lDYH5g

Edgy DC wrote: I was looking for doubles. Something that landed near the line, I figured. I imagine it could've been in like an All-Star game or something to no? Someone here has good access to a database right? quick search on all games with ump=dyer C=Carter P=byleven should pull it right up.

appears to need a baseball-reference login. http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/batter_vs_pitcher.cgi?batter=cartega01&pitcher=blylebe01#gotresults&batter=cartega01&pitcher=blylebe01&min_year_game=1978&max_year_game=1980&post=1&ajax=1&submitter=1 Carter homered off him Opening Day in 1979, but no Dyer that day.

soupcan wrote: soupcan wrote: Awesome. Jose misses 10 games and he's STILL gonna catch him! think he's missed 15 so far this year. and the entire National League couldn't make up the difference. Well, what I meant was that he misses 10 games (when he went on the DL), let Johnson pass him and now he comes right back at him. But, yeah. well if we're gonna split hairs, he missed 12 games to the DL. 8 before the break, 4 after. Technically you could even say 13, as he had a leadoff single against the Yankees but missed the rest of the game. He's gonna need roughly 1.5 hits a game the rest of the way. Sure seems like he's gonna do it.

bmfc1 wrote: From Mark Simon of ESPN: The Emilio Bonifiacio SB is the 28th in the last 29 attempts against the #Mets ... Ouch. the 29th being that Hanley pick-off yesterday, or does that not count as a CS?

shoot, I did mean to write Active. doh.

Also, it looks like Prince Fielder decided to suck while Reyes was laid up, to keep the MVP race close. looks like Matt Kemp could be the other guy right now. Of course, Prince has the whole 'playoff' race thing going for him, something the Mets seem to want to refuse to actually participate in. The Braves went 4-4 over the last 8..would've been easy to make up a couple of games..

Mets Jose Reyes - SS Justin Turner - 2B Carlos Beltran - RF David Wright - 3B Daniel Murphy - 1B Angel Pagan - CF Jason Bay - LF Josh Thole - C Chris Capuano - LHP guppies Bonifacio 3b. Infante 2b. Sanchez 1b. Ramirez ss. Morrison lf. Stanton rf. Peterson cf. Hayes c. Sanchez p

Jose Reyes now has 99 triples, which ties him with Jimmy Rollins for 3rd on the Active list. Next up (yeah, like Rollins is gonna keep pace?) is Johnny Damon with 104, which might also be doable this year. Crawford has 109.