Ceetar

Edgy DC wrote: And in case people didn't read your post right before they made a stupid drunken decision that's the worst of their soon-to-end lives, it doesn't seem all that big a loss to me to do away with tee-shirt ballistics. It's certainly not one mistake. Let's not get too big on the nanny-state kick. We've learned to live with batting helmets on the coaches, fences in front of the dugouts, beer cut-offs after the seventh, and smoke-free airlines, and someday shortly in the future, we'll see tee-shirt guns as a quaint anachronism. Or not, and they'll be brought back. But many innovations in the game have been against nanny-statism. Integrated ball, facial hair, baseball on Sunday. There's push and pull, but we generally evolve toward the reasonable, I think. I'm not sure I want to go down the politic discussion you've brought this to. I have been known to be a little hypocritical in that regard (Despise the 4loko ban (well, not in NJ) but like the trans fat ban for instance). Still, the knee-jerk reactions to things bother me. One or two idiots fall, let's ban the t-shirt guns! Some terrorists attack, let's mix church and state at baseball games and strip search everyone getting on an airplane! Of course it's push and pull. But if you discount the push as part of the cycle and don't pull back, you won't evolve towards reasonable over the long term. So I'm pulling.

Here's a joke about pop-culture from a guy that used to play football, now buy a car. (oh, that's WFAN. eh, close enough)

Lefty Specialist wrote: themetfairy wrote: Last night there were Mets employees throwing t-shirts on the Excelsior level by hand, without a gun. I don't know if any shirts were distributed on other levels. I think they've quietly dispensed with the guns. After the Texas incident, they don't want anyone falling over a railing trying to get a crummy t-shirt. They're just throwing them now. yeah, they've been throwing them in the promenade too. I don't like giving up the guns for one mistake. seems silly to me, don't lean over the railings!

Jeter excels with new wonder-drug, Edge.

Ashie62 wrote: Those were Alderson's words for what its worth. Anyway..let johan throw. Today? I didn't hear anything today but I was in the gym between the announcement and the game.

stupid Omar. Wright ties it with a key RBI groundout though. Here's a good one for you: who gets more RBIs on the season, Wright or Bay?

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: TransMonk wrote: Gwreck wrote: By that point, the Mets had better be owned by some unburdened-by-Picard Wilpons or by Einhorn. Either way, they pay the $30 million. It's not a "difficulty" unless we have cheapskate ownership. Yup. My thoughts exactly. Furthermore, if he's not ready than shut-him-the-fuck-down. 100% in 2012 is better than 65% in a [crossout]meaningless[/crossout] non-contending 2011. yes, but 90% confidence he'll be ready to go in 2012 by pitching in September is better than 50% confident and having to buy an extra pitcher this offseason. There is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer. rehabbing an injury is not done via rest. Why do you use so many unsubstantiated absolutes like "The is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer.? You don't know.....but again..you seem to know I guess. the same reason you use absolutes like "The Mets are done" no, seriously, since when does sitting on your ass get you anywhere? When you have knee surgery, do they tell you to sit around for six months until it's completely healed and then try to walk? Sitting on my ass may get me somewhere at work but in Johan's case he will do his start one day later and the discomfort was not described as a setback, but a "tweak of schedule." Let him pitch, if he has breakthrough pain then reevaluate. In general, I agree, but it's not a tweak of schedule it's a fly back to the doctor in NY and don't make your start.

Ashie62 wrote: Ceetar wrote: TransMonk wrote: Gwreck wrote: By that point, the Mets had better be owned by some unburdened-by-Picard Wilpons or by Einhorn. Either way, they pay the $30 million. It's not a "difficulty" unless we have cheapskate ownership. Yup. My thoughts exactly. Furthermore, if he's not ready than shut-him-the-fuck-down. 100% in 2012 is better than 65% in a [crossout]meaningless[/crossout] non-contending 2011. yes, but 90% confidence he'll be ready to go in 2012 by pitching in September is better than 50% confident and having to buy an extra pitcher this offseason. There is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer. rehabbing an injury is not done via rest. Why do you use so many unsubstantiated absolutes like "The is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer.? You don't know.....but again..you seem to know I guess. the same reason you use absolutes like "The Mets are done" no, seriously, since when does sitting on your ass get you anywhere? When you have knee surgery, do they tell you to sit around for six months until it's completely healed and then try to walk?

3 hits without a run? nice, try for four next inning..

Okay..score some runs.

TransMonk wrote: Gwreck wrote: By that point, the Mets had better be owned by some unburdened-by-Picard Wilpons or by Einhorn. Either way, they pay the $30 million. It's not a "difficulty" unless we have cheapskate ownership. Yup. My thoughts exactly. Furthermore, if he's not ready than shut-him-the-fuck-down. 100% in 2012 is better than 65% in a [crossout]meaningless[/crossout] non-contending 2011. yes, but 90% confidence he'll be ready to go in 2012 by pitching in September is better than 50% confident and having to buy an extra pitcher this offseason. There is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer. rehabbing an injury is not done via rest.

bmfc1 wrote: METS: Reyes-SS Turner-2B Wright-3B Hairston-RF Bay-LF Pagan-CF Duda-1B Nickeas-C Capuano-LHP Murphy sits against the lefty but turns the spout on the Gatorade container the wrong way spilling Gatorade all over the dugout. Come on man, Nickeas? bleh. There's gonna be some interesting debate about Collins this offseason, I can tell.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'd be happy to see Capuano somehow avoid his regular practice of surendering 5 runs in the 6th inning. I might be missing whatever the point is to all the accolades going Capuano's way. He gives up half a run an inning and can't go more than five. Schwinden, Cap to the bullpen.

Alderson should see if Hanley wants to play 2B in New York

G-Fafif wrote: Seriously. Dredge up some self-respect and fucking beat the fucking Marlins. They're fish. flay them. geeze.

bmfc1 wrote: Howie's on vacation during the season? Is he conserving energy for the Islanders? Take a weekend off connected to the All-Star break but don't abandon us during the season. Gary doesn't take a vacation--he's not a weakling like Kay who skips numerous road trips. I've noticed Howie taking more and more time off lately. (Islanders season too) Maybe he's just getting older and the whole working all the time thing isn't as fun.

Frayed Knot wrote: My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first. He held onto it MUCH too long. it was only like 2 seconds, seems like longer. he was nearly at the runner when he slowed to look at third before attempting to tag him. It was more the looking away than not throwing to first that opened the door for him to get back to first.

Ashie62 wrote: The Cincy series was a cocktease..It's over.. this is what, the 18th time you've called it over? Not saying it looks good, but a five game winning streak with a sweep of Atlanta would certainly look pretty good.

Frayed Knot wrote: The proper play (for Murphy) - as Keith was saying - was to get the ball to Turner covering 1st behind the runner. That way he's trapped with no place to go except dislodge the other runners who wouldn't dare abandon their base at that point lest they make things worse. yes, truly, but Turner wasn't even calling for the ball either, which he probably should've been right away. Not that I fault him there, but hey, Murphy could use some guidance if you've got an answer. My point was that Murphy _did_ exhibit all of the signs of what you're supposed to do in most rundowns, run the ball at the runner. The problem was he then over thought it and looked towards third, Turner's job, before completing the play. Very similar to a fielder who muffs a double play because he's thinking about the second out before he gets the first. Anyway, there was so many things wrong with that game. As far as Murphy's defense in terms of costing them the win? He's probably like 8th.

yeah, he's a decent strikeout guy, and if he had thrown the pitch that either Ron or Keith suggested he probably would've gotten the K there. (the same pitch he threw 2-2) Still, Mike Stanton is pretty good, and I know it's extra innings and saving pitchers and the first two hits were seeing eye singles, but I wouldn't have keep Izzy on the mound there.

smg58 wrote: OK so what happened? (The GS I know about.) 1 out, on the third hit of the inning to Duda, Murphy cuts it off, the runner doesn't round third, and the runner at first takes the turn and runs to second. He's halfway when he realizes and starts retreating. Murphy runs at him, and as he gets close, glances to third a little too long, which gives the runner an opportunity to dive back to first safely.

granted it becomes very obvious what Murphy should've done, but is that bad instincts? would someone else have done it right? This isn't exactly a well practiced scenario, and he did exhibit good instincts in actually running at the runner, knowing it would keep him from having to throw the ball for a rundown. It wasn't until he second guessed himself and started looking towards third like he had to do it all that he got himself into trouble. But in the end, while Murphy blew an opportunity, it was the 4 hits that Izzy gave up that was the real problem. I wouldn't have let him pitch to Stanton.

Edgy DC wrote: How about Acosta? Two scoreless with four whiffs. good stuff. looked good. was cringing when they sent him back out for a second..

We _could_ use more walk-offs.. *crosses fingers*

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Objectively decent outing by Pelf, and my stomach's still uneasy after it all. some errors made it worse, but i'll take QS every time..the offense is supposed to be awesome, not 'bleh, here's a home run or two' average. We're not the Phillies.