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HahnSolo wrote: Second hand, someone just told me MLBNetwork is speculating on a potential Harvey for Jurickson Profar deal. I have no idea how accurate that is. Profar has thus far underperformed (to say the least), but he is still only 24. very inaccurate, if anything. One of the Rangers beat guys suggested it as an idea earlier today, probably in response to the mostly unfounded "Harvey for a reliever" speculation that the Mets were willing to move him and need relief help (though not necessarily together) Then someone mentioned that the Mets and Rangers had some lunch together briefly, and someone drew some lines between some dots and voila, rumor.

Edgy MD wrote: Centerfield wrote: But I've never heard one report, one suggestion, that he wasn't well liked by his teammates. I've certainly gleaned several times that coaches and teammates were pissed at him. Much of it may require reading between the lines, and quotes out of context. While none of it is conclusive in itself, there is a convincing preponderance, including and especially Terry Collins choosing not to back him up at key times. so you're saying this is your opinion, not that I can google it and drown in it. I disagree.

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: then learn to read. Really? We're going there? Don't object to my posts by pretending I said something I didn't and then assert that I'm jerking you around. And don't tell me to google something that doesn't exist. there are no comments from his teammates, even anonymously, ragging on him and calling him an asshole. there's no real indication that he's bad for the clubhouse. I'd prefer not to drag a player's character down when discussing his value to the team, whether he's a good person or not.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: In hindsight, there was no optimal time to trade Harvey. Grimm's post is spot-on. Sometimes, things just don't work out and there's nobody or nothing that deserves any blame. It's a shame, really. Harvey emerged as baseball's best pitcher for a few months, and it's all been mostly a terrible and sad downhill ride ever since, with another peak mixed in there in 2015. You can hope for Harvey to still have somewhat of a high ceiling, and maybe that'll come to pass. But it's probably likelier that Harvey's glory days are over. I mean, even like a 3.95 ERA would be very very useful for the Mets. the NL avg was 4.44 last season. 92.4 was the average fastball velocity, Harvey's was 94.3. That's hardly glory days, and he'd probably still get criticized constantly for it, but it'd be very much worth what they're paying him.

Nymr83 wrote: Cut Jeter some slack, how far are the winter meetings from Miami? He probably didn't have the range to get there in time. In terms of US geography, Orlando probably falls roughly into the "makes the plays hit at him" category though no? ;-)

Centerfield wrote: Yes, JCL and BG are right. Right after the 2015 would have been the time to trade him. But seriously, what benefit do we get from doing it now? Nothing at all to back this up, but I feel like Matt Harvey is going to be solid in 2018. Maybe even better than solid. I hope it's for us. But how could you trade him in 2015? it feels ambitious to have hoped the other existing SP depth would hold up and you could swap him for an equally (I think there was a unsubstaniated Mookie Betts swap) talented hitter feels risky for a team that expects to return to the playoffs the very next season. I was tracking his pitch f/x stuff start to start last season for a while. It always felt like his pitches had movement still, he's still got some velocity. I'm just reading data, but it always felt like he was getting different results than he was used to in terms of break and such. That the pitches were still _good_ he just hadn't figured out how to make them effective. So if you're looking for something to hope on, it's probably that. a year removed from the surgery, a season under his belt, a new pitching coach and a pitching-friendly manager, maybe they can focus those tools somewhat.

Mafia Stooge. love it.

Valadius wrote: Wasn't the incident where he was hung over and didn't show up to the ballpark related to him seeing an ex with someone else and losing it? yeah. he was 'heartbroken' supposedly. I don't think that was ever confirmed, though perhaps he just drank himself silly as a result.

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: yes, and none of these things suggest his teammates care about it. I didn't suggest that it was. I suggested that he has publicly and repeatedly demonstrated asshole behavior. You ask for evidence all coy-like and pretend it isn't raining from the sky. Come on. Don't jerk people around. Please. then learn to read. There is no reason to simply dump Harvey because of his personality, unless that personality messes with the clubhouse. It's just garbage piling on otherwise, and if he's got a 2 ERA into June he'll be guest-staring on TV shows again and living large or whichever 'nice' term for asshole the media feels like using that month. Ceetar wrote: yes, and none of these things suggest his teammates care about it. Geez. We've all been on teams where there's one or two guys who act as though the rules don't apply to them and/or let you down when they don't show up on time and shit the bed as a result. You wouldn't necessarily blab about this to reporters covering your workplace, you get by anyway, but it's not as though it doesn't matter. the headache/heartbroken no-show bit is the big one. I can't speak to what he was like the rest of the year, if his apology was accepted, if he was working hard, etc. If he continued that behavior, sure, a "let's get rid of this guy" makes sense. If you attribute a lot of his struggles to not being prepared, or not working hard enough, or coming in hungover regularly, or whatever, sure. But if he showed up and did his work the rest of the year, it feels foolish to release him based on 'character' with a new set of coaches. He was late to a postseason workout in 2015 too. I'd be interested in knowing if there were other/lesser situations like this, where he wandered in late/hungover on non pitching days? It being Harvey though, I feel like someone would've blown that up already.

yes, and none of these things suggest his teammates care about it.

links/specifics please. it's a very broad and vague term.

you mean the showing up late stuff? I doubt Wilmer Flores is grumbling about that. I doubt Jacob deGrom looks over to the next rubber and thinks "that bum, out to all hours enjoying the city!"

Owners don't have as much regular face time with the press, particularly more national guys, that the media has to pull punches to maintain a relationship. relatedly, I wonder if Boras is talking to the Marlins now? I know previously he wouldn't talk to Samson, the president. There's probably no point if the Marlins don't want players that want money.

and why do we think he's an asshole, particularly to his teammates? He seems pretty typically a 'sports bro' type guy to me. And while that might be abrasive in an office, I doubt it's grating on a team of 25+ baseball players.

41Forever wrote: The thing that we might not know is whether he is just unbearable to have around and it would be addition by subtraction by not having him around. Highly doubt it. I'm kinda concerned there seems to be a clubhouse chemistry vibe around this discussion.

Sign Walker and then go hard at Dozier. if you get him, oops. find a 3B glove for Walker or trade him.

seawolf17 wrote: I can't imagine his value being lower than it is right now. At the same time, if some other team has a youngish talented young pitcher they're equally frustrated with who they're willing to trade, you'd have to consider it. But I can't see them just giving him away. Right, I'd swap him for a similarly talented pitcher. but on the other hand, we just swapped his pitching coach and trainer. That might be just as good. I doubt the Mets are primarily concerned with dumping him to get rid of him if they just tendered him. It doesn't really seem worth keeping him around if you're best case is a reliever in a trade. well, I guess that's not true. You could use the depth of Harvey on the roster as a 'threat' when you tell Darvish/other GM that you don't need another starter.

d'Kong76 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Does anyone really think this is just a smokescreen and the Mets will come light the world on fire this offseason? No, not at all. But I also think the Yanks having Stanton fall into their lap has a lot of people irrationally worked up. Again. Tomorrow morning I'll wake up to being called a stupid kool-aid swilling brainwashed dork but can we see how the next few months go before we write the 2018 requiem? Exactly. Let's see how things look as we approach April before deciding this is a Yankee year in this town, because I'm not so sure. I mean, I don't expect the Mets to light the world on fire because I don't think there's enough lighter fluid on the market. These meetings are going to be fairly productive though, as now that Stanton and Ohtani are signing things will start falling into place.

I dunno, it's hard to follow all the garbage unsourced speculation out there, but Sandy seems to be shopping around and dipping his toes in all over the place compared to previous years. Also literally nothing he says matters or is to be taken seriously.

I mean, Yelich seemingly plays/played a passable CF? So that helps.

lol. I'll take the Mets thanks. Gimme Thor and deGrom et al (and Darvish please) over the Yankees. It's fun how because the Yankees got lucky last year (And they did) it must mean the start of a dynasty run and not literally just a flash in the pan thing. Right off the bat I'm not sure Stanton covers the difference from the Judge dropoff and the Castro drop off (who I don't really want. sign Walker again I guess, he's better) That they offloaded Castro's contract AND had the Marlins eat a small part (which helps with the competitive balance tax) likely means they're serious about staying under, and they're pretty damn close, especially with paying 60million to their outfield and have plenty of holes elsewhere. The spray charts suggest Stanton wouldn't have hit more home runs in Yankee Stadium than Marlins Park last season. As annoying as the coverage of them is going to be, the Marlins fire sale only helps the Mets. And the Mets don't have a DH. Conforto and Cespedes are very good players. Brian Dozier is the guy you want to push the Mets to acquire, not Stanton.

d'Kong76 wrote: He'll be a Yankee before sundown Tues... a true Yankee. lol. Stanton puts them up against the competitive balance tax, with 2 outfielders under contract and Judge.

these are both garbage so I'll vote against a Reyes cover.

Gotta go with the booze pun. Plus the picture perfectly encapsulates the headline, which is nice. ties it together.