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I would like to see a trend towards three-member-plus classes as opposed to one- or two-member classes, yes, especially with the three monster classes looming. For example, I would like to see Larkin, Raines, Bagwell, and Edgar Martinez inducted next year. I would vote for more, but those four deserve it more than the rest right now, IMO.
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The reason Harold Baines dropped off the ballot is entirely due to the backlog of candidates on the ballot and the ten-candidate requirement.
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Just so we're all aware, the Mets are tied with Detroit for the longest drought of players entering the Hall wearing their cap. Current streaks: Team Length of Drought New York Mets 19 (1992) Detroit Tigers 19 (1992) Philadelphia Phillies 15 (1996) Atlanta Braves 14 (1997) Chicago White Sox 14 (1997) Cleveland Indians 13 (1998) Los Angeles Dodgers 13 (1998) Kansas City Royals 12 (1999) San Francisco Giants 12 (1999) Texas Rangers 12 (1999) Cincinnati Reds 11 (2000) Pittsburgh Pirates 10 (2001) Milwaukee Brewers 7 (2004) Chicago Cubs 6 (2005) St. Louis Cardinals 5 (2006) Baltimore Orioles 4 (2007) San Diego Padres 4 (2007) Boston Red Sox 2 (2009) New York Yankees 2 (2009) Oakland Athletics 2 (2009) Washington Nationals 1 (2010)
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Boston.
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I could see a John Franco-Edgardo Alfonzo Class of 2011.
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If you had to rank Mike Piazza in terms of his worth to the Mets and to the Dodgers, he ranks in the top five Mets of all time, whereas his status in Dodger-dom is far less significant. Edge Mets.
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Vic, I don't disagree with you. What I do have a problem with is when voters arbitrarily impose upon themselves a magic cut-off number as opposed to voting in everyone that they believe deserves induction.
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batmagadanleadoff wrote: What a weak class of first timers. The next few classes make up for this weak year: 2013: B. Bonds, R. Clemens, S. Sosa, M. Piazza, C. Biggio, C. Schilling, K. Lofton 2014: G. Maddux, T. Glavine, J. Kent, F. Thomas, M. Mussina, L. Gonzalez 2015: R. Johnson, P. Martinez, J. Smoltz, G. Sheffield, N. Garciaparra, C. Delgado
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What frustrates the hell out of me is that too many voters seem to restrict themselves to two, or three, or four players each year, even when other players are slam-dunk, deserving players. We're going to have a serious problem in 2013, 2014, and 2015 if people don't broaden their horizons and vote for everyone deserving of induction. Also, the ten-player limit is going to look completely foolish once those three classes are absorbed onto the ballot. That ought to be done away with.
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I'm honestly sad to see John Franco fall just short of making the cut for next year's ballot.
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He's talking to MLB Network from Toronto, in front of his Blue Jays uniform.
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Alomar gets the classic Blue Jay logo, while Blyleven gets "TC".
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Juan Gonzalez 5.2%.
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Jayson Stark says pretty much all I would say.
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And one year later, Marty Noble: Marty Noble Ballot: Alomar, Larkin and Dave Parker. A year later, I have voted for Alomar, the best defensive second baseman I've ever seen. I promised to vote for him, and I have, though uncomfortably. I still can't get past Blyleven's 250 losses. That's too many for a 287-game winner, no matter the number of shutouts and strikeouts. Blyleven lost 17 games in his lone 20-win season and lost 10 or more 16 times. In my mind, he produced two, perhaps three Hall of Fame seasons. Not enough.
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Overnight update: HOF % Leaderboard through 130 Full BBWAA Ballots� 93.1 - Alomar 79.2 - Blyleven 67.0 - Larkin 50.0 - J. Morris 46.2 - Raines 40.0 - Bagwell 39.2 - L. Smith 32.0 - Edgar Martinez 26.2 - Trammell 20.0 - McGwire 15.4 - McGriff 13.8 - L.Walker 12.3 - Palmeiro . 9.2 - D. Murphy . 6.2 - Mattingly . 5.4 - D. Parker . 4.6 - Baines . 3.1 - K. Brown . 2.3 - Juan Gone . 1.5 - John Franco . 0.8 - Tino . 0.8 - Olerud (!) . 0.8 - Surhoff . 0.8 - Pete Rose (Write-in) Top Partial Ballot Leaders� (160 Full/Partials) 133 - Alomar 121 - Blyleven http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/beat/Hall%20of%20Fame/
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O'Connor: Alomar, Blyleven, Larkin, Morris, Smith.
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Rubin: Alomar, Bagwell, Blyleven, Larkin, Morris, Murphy.
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John Olerud.
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Rickey Henderson.
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Richie Ashburn.
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Voting for John Franco this year are Hall of Fame writer Tracy Ringolsby and former Wall Street Journal columnist Fred Klein.
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Apparently the Olerud voter is John McGrath of the Tacoma (WA) News Tribune.
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Update: John Olerud is going to get at least one vote for the Hall of Fame. HOF % Leaderboard through 84 Full Ballots� 95.2 - Alomar 77.4 - Blyleven 69.0 - Larkin 52.4 - Raines 52.4 - J. Morris 40.5 - Bagwell 31.0 - L. Smith 31.0 - Edgar Martinez 29.8 - Trammell 20.2 - McGwire 15.5 - L.Walker 15.5 - McGriff . 9.5 - Palmeiro . 9.5 - D. Murphy . 7.1 - Baines . 6.0 - Mattingly . 6.0 - D. Parker . 3.6 - K. Brown . 3.6 - Juan Gone . 1.2 - John Franco . 1.2 - Olerud (!) . 1.2 - Pete Rose (Write-in) Top Partial Ballot Leaders� (116 Full/Partials) 88 - Alomar 80 - Blyleven
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My vote for Mets Reliever of the Aughts.
