Edgy MD

I hate the Francisco era.

The issue isn't really lifting Harvey. They're trying to limit his innings. You should be able to hose down anybody after seven innings with an 8-1 lead. Thank you, Jon Rauch.

Couldn't we have kept Beato and sent Francisco to Boston?

No way. I'm a Harvey girl.

Frayed Knot wrote: Swan Swan H wrote: Bay needs to bat against guys named Homer more often. Hell, I'd settle for him hitting against Fritz Double on a regular basis. Did I hear my name?

Miguel Cairo, hitting .156 with zero homers and eight RBI, in August, is your opposing firstbaseman. The position, it need be said, that otherwise tends to belong to Joey Votto. We sure as hell better win any game where this comes to pass.

I like the Shoppach era.

I like the post-Beato era!

Folks'll do anything to get off the Royals.

So you mean DFA'd in December or something. OK, I guess. But I see seven or eight free agents and three or so guys to (more or less safely) slide off the roster before him.

Wait... we knew Beato was being DFA'd?

Hey now, don't quit on Kelly!

Mets fill a need. Mets draw from a needful place.

Too late, Vic. He zinged ya. Beato was the subject of one of our "Odes to the Opening Day Roster."

Oh, shit. We meant to tell you, yeah. This is really embarrassing. Who was supposed to tell Vic about the pennant race?!

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Carried a lot of pink backpacks.

Ceetar wrote: I think he'd be more "you're hopeless" than not caring. That's sorta what I mean.

If you're flipping a coin.

That's something. Mex back in uniform would be a fantastic sideshow. I just don't know if he's capable of even pretending to lead the sort of stable disciplined life that a leader of young men would have to have. He's a mercurial dude --- part of what makes him great on broadcasts, but I imagine by May of his first year, a batter could come to him and ask, "What am I doing wrong here?" and he'd respond. "You know, I don't care what you do."

Terry went into his "I'm looking for players who will play hard for me" spiel about 10 days ago. He did it last year, too. It basically amounts to "This year is hopeless, so play for next year." My feeling is that players play hard for a manager who gives in on nothing --- who struggles to put them in the best position to win every day. That may mean benching popular guys who aren't getting it done. That may mean replacing a pinch hitter when the opposition changes pitchers, even if the pinch hitter hasn't gotten to the plate in a week. I like a manager who defines loyalty to the players as loyalty to winning. Terry, coming in with a reputation as a guy who lost his clubhouse due to aloofness from his players, has overcompensated by running away from that position, and I worry that --- since the day of that post by Gwreck I cited above --- he's hit a tipping point as far as pandering to his players.

It would seem to me that just getting back up to average in leftfield would take the team a nice ways. But I checked and leftfield isn't even the team's weakest offensive position relative to the league, thanks to Hairston getting hot when Bay got hurt. When Thole got hurt, by comparison, Nickeas was... not hot. c 14th of 16 1b 13th of 16 2b 4th of 16 3b 1st of 16 ss 6th of 16 lf 12th of 16 cf T8th of 16 rf 14th of 16 p 3rd of 16 dh 5th of 16 ph 2nd of 16 infield 7th of 16 outfield 14th of 16 Now many of those numbers are tempered by other realities. We look sweet at second, but our defense is below average, and Murphy's relative health may have put us ahead of a team or two with a stronger player who got hurt. But we've got a possible lead on a catcher to take cuts against lefties and maybe help out with catching Dickey, so I think top priority (beyond re-signing Dickey and Wright) remains replacing Bay and letting a whole bunch of guys fight for right (or left, if we sign a rightfielder), center, and first.

My guess is the Lord and Wally Backman ain't on the best of terms these days.