Frayed Knot

But then he also has that weird Kaz Matsui aversion to backhanding the ball even though he seems fundamentally sound in other areas.

BA's database shows #s 11 & 13 as signed. The rest of the list seems to be correct on the above chart. Of the top 25 only #s 12, 20, 22 & 25 did not sign.

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I was never more sure of anything in my life than to wake up to a Mets loss this morning. So much so in fact, I misread the Schaefer thread as a 5-4 loss. So good on the Mets for this one. Wayne's call of the final play (listen on Mets.com) was typically rotten. WFAN played it this morning, i believe it was something like "groundball to the Shortstop, who bobbles it, and Tejada picks it up and throws to first, in time!" (Tejada seems to bobble a billion balls..) Basically it was a hard ankle-high one-hopper which Tejada knocked down but still had plenty of time to make the throw. He's definitely hard to define as a SS; capable of making great plays one minute then messing up seemingly easy one the next. The play before the final one in fact was a slow-chopper towards the middle with runners on 1st & 2nd and one out. There wasn't going to be time for a DP so he just threw to 1st. There was time for him however to get the force at 2nd, a play which would have kept the winning run at 1st instead of in scoring position but also would have required him to make a semi-awkward turn in order to make the flip so it looked like he never even considered it so as to take the easiest out and not even risk screwing things up. That was the source of my "Oh I hope that play doesn't burn us" comment.

Gwreck wrote: I would've said Hoffman but I think he started his career in Florida, no? Percival is my guess. Troy Percival is the final answer. Got his first 316 with the Angels before moving on to Detroit (8), Tampa (34) & StL (0)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Hoffman. Had 552 of his 601 with Sandy Eggo but the first two were as a Marlin

MFS62 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: 600 is still impressive. This. Congrats, big Jim. Later Also impressive, btw, is 2,263 hits, 1,662 RBIs, 1,710 walks, 1,066 XBHs, and a lifetime OBA of .403

P.S. Is there anyone who does NOT conflate Todd & Doug Jones? One was a fastballer and one was a changeup guy. But if you held a gun to my head, I couldn't tell you which was which. My guess: Mesa. Later No. 'Joe Table' oddly didn't have any saves until he was 28 years old with Cleveland. He then went from 2 to a league-leading 46 and was off and running. But after his troubles in the 1997 post-season (ask Omar Vizquel about it, he'll tell you) his ERA blew up to 5+ the following year and Mesa was gone from the 'Mistake by the Lake' for good. The rluality of his saves came for Philly but #300 for him was with Pittsburgh his fifth organization.

seawolf17 wrote: Jeff Montgomery with the Royals. Yes. Montgomery was a 9th round pick by the Reds and appeared in 14 games for them in his first season (13 in relief) but never got a save. He was then dealt to KC that off-season where he spent the remainder of his career, thus being the only one on this list aside from Rivera to get ALL of his career saves for one team. Montgomery also played college ball with my cousin (cousin-in-law if you want to be technical).

NOW is the time and place (take notice Howie & Wayne & Gary & Ron ... and, oh yeah, Rogers) for discussions of save totals and the like. Reproducing (and updating) Steven J.'s chart below for reference -- [u:1fgbjkyl]Four of the 300+ relievers got both their first & 300th save for the same team[/u:1fgbjkyl]. Two answers are obvious: Mariano Rivera who famously has all 590 with the MFYs and now Jason Isringhausen who oddly has just 8 of his 300 (#1 and then 294-300) for the Mets ** Can you name the other two relievers/teams who fit this category? ** (one guess per person please as it's a limited field and the limited choices are in front of you) 1. Trevor Hoffman - 601 2. Mariano Rivera - 590 3. Lee Smith - 478 4. John Franco - 424 5. Billy Wagner - 422 6. Dennis Eckersley - 390 7. Jeff Reardon - 367 8. Troy Percival - 358 9. Randy Myers - 347 10. Rollie Fingers - 341 11. John Wetteland - 330 12. Roberto Hernandez - 326 13. Jose Mesa - 321 14. Todd Jones - 319 15. Rick Aguilera - 318 16. Robb Nen - 314 17. Francisco Cordero - 313 18. Tom Henke - 311 19. Rich Gossage - 310 20. Jeff Montgomery - 304 21. Doug Jones - 303 22T. Bruce Sutter - 300 22T. Jason Isringhausen - 300 P.S. Is there anyone who does NOT conflate Todd & Doug Jones?

Acosta - 0.6 Beato - 0.4 Byrdak - 0.4 Duda - 2.2 Pagan - 1.4 Turner - 1.0 Wright - 0.5

Pelfrey - 1.3 Parnell - 0.4 Baxter - 1.8 Paulino - 1.3 Tejada - 1.8

Fuck the 300th - the 5-game losing streak is over!!

Oh I hope that play doesn't burn us.

Well, not quite ... but it worked anyway. Woulda been nice if Thole read that better.

Gotta get this through the drawn-in infield.

With Tejada, yes it is.

Yeah, let's get the leadoff guy on in two straight innings only to dig the next batter into a 2-strike call without even swinging the bat.

They're allowed to ground into DPs too, right? I thought Tejada was going to "Ike" Duda's ankle there.

Amazing how our offense knocks out starting pitchers (literally) in mid game and then suddenly shuts down as the supposedly soft middle relievers come in. That's twice in a row now.

It seems like it's been a very long time since something has gone right for this team.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: $2.1M's not much above slot. Yeah, and Nimmo's father indicating that $2.5M was "a nice starting point for discussion" didn't exactly work out too well either.

Don't Cameron Maybin & Logan Forsythe sound like guys that ought to be at a polo match somewhere?

Frayed Knot wrote: We should have more than 4 runs here. I hope this doesn't come back to haunt us. Now we definitely should have more than 4 runs - and just as definitely it's starting to get a bit sticky.

Keith Law: Mets sign Brandon Nimmo for $2.1MM

You gotta be kidding me! It's bad enough that we're inventing ways not to score but now we have other people doing it for us.