metirish

How does Wagner have any leverage here at all? , and what the hell is Papelbon mouting on about?....I saw Wagner respond to him and it didn't sound like they will be BFF if the deal goes through.

Just me but no loss this past month and more warrants being in this thread , nothing surprises , nothing even hurts anymore......it's nothingness .

Isn't that a security dick dead center....

="Valadius":1kwk6mis]I read that book![/quote:1kwk6mis] The first book on the Mets I ever read , I enjoyed it throughly but have since hear from several long time fans that didn't think much of it. IIRC I enjoyed the first half of the book most. metsfanbook Aug 26 2009 07:56 PM Gollenbock's book is immensely enjoyable but its lack of accuracy is legendary. You just can't use it as a source for anything. To my dying day, I will refuse to believe that Jerry Koosman and Gil Hodges would have tried to win a World Series by cheating. And to this day, I can't believe that the umpire gave Jones the base. G-Fafif Aug 26 2009 09:09 PM It can give a nice shine to your wing tips. Well, that is the truth about shoe polish. Edgy DC Aug 26 2009 10:24 PM ="metsfanbook"]To my dying day, I will refuse to believe that Jerry Koosman and Gil Hodges would have tried to win a World Series by cheating. He's got Jerry in quotes there, so you've got to do something with it. Some alternatives to it being the God's-honest truth are: A) He wanted to add color to the story and didn't think about what it would to the legend of Hodges' character. He heard that somebody smudged the ball, and stuck himself into the story just because. C) He lied to Golenbock just like he lied to the IRS because Jerry Koosman's got some issues and he just can't stop lying. D) Golenbock stuck those words into Jerry's mouth and Jerry never bothered denying them because he never read the book and it wan't big enough for any journalist to call him up and confirm the story. There are other alternatives, I guess. All of these are plausible, but all are unwieldy, to varying degrees. Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2009 05:08 AM Michigan is a journalist. He should reach out to Jerry Koosman and follow up. G-Fafif Aug 27 2009 05:42 AM From Marty Noble: ]Koosman provided a new story, too, confessing he, seated in the dugout, had rubbed the baseball on his shoe at Hodges' direction in Game 5 of the World Series. Jones was deemed to be a hit batsman as a result. Whatever it takes! The statute of limitations evidently expires once the guilty team has participated in three additional World Series. "Koozie's the only guy who ever saw it," Swoboda said later. "Maybe that's Koozie's urban myth." RealityChuck Aug 28 2009 10:49 AM Actually, right after the game, Hodges said they kept baseballs with shoe polish smudges on them in the dugout for just such an occasion. It was considered a joke at the time. Swan Swan H Aug 28 2009 02:12 PM My guess is that Kooz's story is pure shinola. metsfanbook Aug 29 2009 12:33 PM I agree. Koosman has a history of liking to pull journalists' legs. He has a pretty good ironic sense of humour. If he and Hodges had actually done this, I don't think they would have admitted it. I think he meant this as a joke, but it just isn't identified as such in Gollenbock's book, which seems to be just directly transcribed at points from the tape recorder. Edgy DC Aug 29 2009 12:48 PM I guess there's (E) Kooz was joking and Golenbock didn't get it, but he makes a big fanfare in the book of telling the truth about this small turning point for the first time. metsguyinmichigan Aug 29 2009 02:25 PM Golenbock lost me when he referred to the Mets in 1967 signing someone named Thomas George Seaver. If he's so sloppy that he can't get the name of the team's best player correctly, then it's hard to take stock in anything else in there. MFS62 Aug 29 2009 03:11 PM Those are his good points. He's also an arsehole. I was in the men's club at my Temple a few years ago. We invited him to come to one of our Sunday breakfasts (he lived in the next town, maybe 5 miles away), give a little speech, answer some questions, and sell some autographed books. He asked for an appearance fee, even after we told him that the small admission fee we charge goes for a schollarship fund. We told hm no thanks. Later

Pedro's Mets career obviously wasn't what it could have been , having said that for me personally he gave me some of the best nights ever as a Mets fan. I wish him health Wagner for me was never that likable but I can cheer his comeback if for nothing else then just to see him back so quickly. If he is traded not a tear I will shed.

What's with the intentional misspelling of both words? , smug fuck that Tarantino .

3 -0 count on the opposing pitcher in the first and Manuel pulls Ollie......what a shame

="Kong76":1ypuyko0]Ollie wasting no time in the top of the first providing some agita.[/quote:1ypuyko0] And a three run shot by Werth , no outs and about 100 pitches from Ollie Kong76 Aug 23 2009 11:27 AM Everyone who thought Werth wasn't going to hit a three run homer please go weed the garden, clean out the trunk, or do something else NOW!!! Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 11:28 AM nothing new here. PiggiesTomatoes Aug 23 2009 11:28 AM Typical Ollie. MF'er! bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 11:29 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 23 2009 11:30 AM Nice to know that Omar will be keeping his job, according to today's [u:xqbub2b0]Post[/u:xqbub2b0], given that Omar will be subjecting us to Ollie through 2011. bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 11:29 AM ="Kong76":cu1pjtng]Everyone who thought Werth wasn't going to hit a three run homer please go weed the garden, clean out the trunk, or do something else NOW!!![/quote:cu1pjtng] Werth may come across as a cocky SOB but I wish he was a Met. PiggiesTomatoes Aug 23 2009 11:33 AM Guy who hasn't started in three weeks and batting .128, single on the first pitch. Hey, 6-0. Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 11:33 AM thats SIX nothing in the 1st inning. FUCK PEREZ bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 11:34 AM That loser better not blame this on his knee. metirish Aug 23 2009 11:35 AM 3 -0 count on the opposing pitcher in the first and Manuel pulls Ollie......what a shame PiggiesTomatoes Aug 23 2009 11:37 AM If that isn't a kick in the balls! Thanks, Jerry. Let's see what Figgy can do. No hitter from this point? Now that would be funny. MFS62 Aug 23 2009 11:41 AM 2010 audition time for Nelson. I hope he pitches well enough, and Jerry leaves him in the game long enough, to show he belongs. Later bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 11:47 AM Small victories: seeing that jackass Victorino embarrass himself. Kong76 Aug 23 2009 11:51 AM bmfc: Werth may come across as a cocky SOB but I wish he was a Met <<< I didn't say he was cocky, I said anyone who thought he wasn't going to .... Ashie62 Aug 23 2009 11:59 AM ="Kong76"]bmfc: Werth may come across as a cocky SOB but I wish he was a Met <<< I didn't say he was cocky, I said anyone who thought he wasn't going to .... Werth has been en fuego prior to this series Don't mind cocky by anybody when winning Kong76 Aug 23 2009 12:00 PM Uh, oh never mind ... Ashie62 Aug 23 2009 12:00 PM I'm trying to think of the least painful way to get Ollie off the payroll short of crime, organized crime? maybe Valadius Aug 23 2009 12:11 PM Wow, I'm surprised I'm actually able to follow a Mets game from Italy. Of course there it's the afternoon. Here I'm getting ready for a late dinner. And the Mets are exactly the same as I left them. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 23 2009 12:15 PM ="Ashie62":1w4vw3nx]I'm trying to think of the least painful way to get Ollie off the payroll short of crime, organized crime? maybe[/quote:1w4vw3nx] Maybe my coffee was a little weak this morning, but all I've got are extralegal things. Kong76 Aug 23 2009 12:29 PM Valad posting from a late dinner in Italy lol. Fman99 Aug 23 2009 01:38 PM Took a two hour nap today and missed the first several innings and I challenge anyone to tell me watching this game would've been a better way to spend my afternoon. Wild pitch, 9-5 Phillies. Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 02:01 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 23 2009 02:02 PM HE CAUGHT THE BALL, THAT WASNT EVEN CLOSE!! GET YOURSELF TOSSED HERE JERRY!!!! edit- umps conference and make right call Fman99 Aug 23 2009 02:02 PM Another ridiculously bad call by the umpires. Kong76 Aug 23 2009 02:02 PM Over turned, amen. Fman99 Aug 23 2009 02:03 PM ="Fman99":3hidg8bq]Another ridiculously bad call by the umpires.[/quote:3hidg8bq] OE: Rescinded. Umps reversed the call. bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 02:06 PM So Francoeur could have gotten tossed by arguing and then the umpires end up correcting the call. Kong76 Aug 23 2009 02:06 PM I smell an embarrassing ninth inning come back and loss for the Phils! Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 02:06 PM Ryan Buckner at 1st for the Phils Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 02:07 PM and now an error at 2nd and Castillo beats it out!! Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 02:09 PM no defense!! tying runs on base, he'll get a hit but that was another defensive misplay Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 02:12 PM an unassisted triple play to end the game. it could only happen to us. Gwreck Aug 23 2009 02:13 PM Unbelievable. TheOldMole Aug 23 2009 02:13 PM All you can say is well, uh, OK. Kong76 Aug 23 2009 02:13 PM Ya think you've seen everything, that may the first one to end a game. Ashie62 Aug 23 2009 02:14 PM UNBELIEVABLE... Methead Aug 23 2009 02:14 PM Amazing. Well, I've always wondered if I'd ever see an unassisted triple play... I guess I can cross it off the list now. bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 02:17 PM What was the point of putting the runners in motion? If Jerry doesn't, that's a single and the bases are loaded w/none out. If they're down by one, OK but two? No, especially when the trail runner, the important runner because he's the tying run, is slow. Classic over-managing by Jerry. Ashie62 Aug 23 2009 02:23 PM ="bmfc1":1s01huou]What was the point of putting the runners in motion? If Jerry doesn't, that's a single and the bases are loaded w/none out. If they're down by one, OK but two? No, especially when the trail runner, the important runner because he's the tying run, is slow. Classic over-managing by Jerry.[/quote:1s01huou] You betcha!! where's Earl Weaver? Kong76 Aug 23 2009 02:41 PM A62: where's Earl Weaver <<< Poor choice, the guy who lived by the the three run homer. Fman99 Aug 23 2009 02:42 PM I couldn't even post anything when it happened. Just shut the laptop off and walked away. Methead Aug 23 2009 02:44 PM ="Kong76":243j8yoi]that may the first one to end a game.[/quote:243j8yoi] Pretty sure you're right. bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 02:48 PM Second time in history. Jayson Stark is so happy, he tweeted over and over. http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1927/B05310DET1927.htm bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 02:50 PM I can't believe that Jerry wasn't asked about sending the runners. Maybe he was and FAN didn't play it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 23 2009 03:07 PM ="bmfc1"]What was the point of putting the runners in motion? If Jerry doesn't, that's a single and the bases are loaded w/none out. If they're down by one, OK but two? No, especially when the trail runner, the important runner because he's the tying run, is slow. Classic over-managing by Jerry. You're fucking kidding me. I can't fucking believe that he would try and fucking do that. Next, you'll fucking tell me that Angel Hernandez tried to insert himself into a fucking ballgame. Imfuckingpossible. Fuck. (Watching Manuel is KILLING my vocabulary.) LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 23 2009 03:08 PM ="Methead":1pephxo0]="Kong76":1pephxo0]that may the first one to end a game.[/quote:1pephxo0] Pretty sure you're right.[/quote:1pephxo0] STATS says it's the second. May 31, 1927 was the other time (Johnny Neun, liner-step-tag for Detroit, preserving a 1-0 win over Cleveland). G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 04:57 PM I thought it was pretty incredible that I went to a game and saw two three-run homers in the top of the first, a starter pulled with a 3-0 count to the opposing pitcher after 45 pitches, a leadoff inside-the-park homer in the bottom of the first, a triple follow that, a poor-hitting pitcher drive in a run, the inside-the-park homer-hitter hit a homer outside the park and the return of an icon to face his old club. Also, Pat Misch in the middle innings giving up nothing was pretty special. Apparently, prior to the ninth, I hadn't seen nothing yet. In related news, I learned from those sitting around me that the Beach Boys of Mike Love were a lock to sing the National Anthem (they didn't); that Carlos Delgado has an option for next year (he doesn't); that Billy Wagner couldn't be used because once you're claimed on waivers you're ineligible (no such rule exists); and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens). Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 05:02 PM ]and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens). CBS gamecast actually had Wagner warming up at some point in the 8th, whether that was a mistake or not i dont know G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 05:03 PM ="Nymr83"]]and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens). CBS gamecast actually had Wagner warming up at some point in the 8th, whether that was a mistake or not i dont know Wagner did warm up, but it was after the dissertation from the scholars in the row behind me. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 23 2009 05:07 PM ="G-Fafif":3usy497h]I thought it was pretty incredible that I went to a game and saw two three-run homers in the top of the first, a starter pulled with a 3-0 count to the opposing pitcher after 45 pitches, a leadoff inside-the-park homer in the bottom of the first, a triple follow that, a poor-hitting pitcher drive in a run, the inside-the-park homer-hitter hit a homer outside the park and the return of an icon to face his old club. Also, Pat Misch in the middle innings giving up nothing was pretty special. Apparently, prior to the ninth, I hadn't seen nothing yet. In related news, I learned from those sitting around me that the Beach Boys of Mike Love were a lock to sing the National Anthem (they didn't); that Carlos Delgado has an option for next year (he doesn't); that Billy Wagner couldn't be used because once you're claimed on waivers you're ineligible (no such rule exists); and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens).[/quote:3usy497h] What's your threshold for factual corrections? Is said threshold more dependent on the egregiousness of the error, or is it based more on the scholar's/s' volume? Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 05:09 PM you get alot of that, at weekend day games especially. i've found the people sitting around me to be much smarter on freezing cold or rainy weeknights in April. i guess theres something about the early start and the heat that attracts the morons who would never show up to watch a game in the cold after work on a thursday G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 05:16 PM ="Nymr83":1ir3j8vb]you get alot of that, at weekend day games especially. i've found the people sitting around me to be much smarter on freezing cold or rainy weeknights in April. i guess theres something about the early start and the heat that attracts the morons who would never show up to watch a game in the cold after work on a thursday[/quote:1ir3j8vb] Of course when the morons who would never show up to watch a game in the cold after work on a Thursday are warm in their homes, they may divine a sense of intellectual superiority over those of us shivering at the ballpark despite our working knowledge of rosters and rules. bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 05:16 PM Here's something else for this bizarre baseball day: a Mets minor leaguer threw a no-hitter! http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_08_23_broasx_abeasx_1 G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 05:36 PM From Brandon Moore, no-hit whiz of Coney Island: ]"I love playing in Brooklyn. They say it's the closest you can get to playing in the big leagues without playing in the big leagues." And I thought that's what they said about the Mets.

As heard from the booth. The Phillies have hit more home runs with men on base than the Mets have hit overall Then the total home runs phillies - 172 Mets - 72

="G-Fafif"]="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. Excellent read , on SNY Gary as soon as they cut to him mentioned that Boswell had been omitted . Not good obviously.

I'll get hammered for saying this but I don't see Evans as much of a player. I've been underwhelmed by him.

Cohen mentioned a pitch count when he was setting the game up, still as noted he was cruising and a win tonight would have capped a nice night.

Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though.

Grote of course , nice chat with Garrett from KB

="Kong76":36ol95xc]The game is/was worth recording too, the interviews are more interesting than the action on the field.[/quote:36ol95xc] Gentry was brilliant.... Cohen - " Gary is was great to talk to you and for you to be part of this great night" Gentry - " Ah guys it's great to meet you guys and shoot the shhhh , talk things up" hilatious Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:36 PM That was Grote, but yeah I caught the shoot the shhh and laughed. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:43 PM Grote of course , nice chat with Garrett from KB Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM Kevin interviews people well ... I hope he doesn't end up in another team's booth down the road any time soon. Our booth is kind of full. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:50 PM Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:23 PM ="metirish":12yrn8lo]Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though.[/quote:12yrn8lo] I think they all have been lit up ala Casey Stengal..just don't fall off Ron's seat A Boy Named Seo Aug 22 2009 10:53 PM If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 03:56 AM ="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. metirish Aug 23 2009 08:58 AM ="G-Fafif"]="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. Excellent read , on SNY Gary as soon as they cut to him mentioned that Boswell had been omitted . Not good obviously. Edgy DC Aug 23 2009 11:28 AM No shortage of cheap shots in the top half, though --- big contracts to injured players, Oliver Perez, Jeff Wilpon. Easy. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:11 AM I went to the game for the specific reason of interviewing the 1969 guys. Spent a great 30-35 minutes with the group in a formal PC a few hours before the game...got the chance to chat with one or two afterwards, and was fully prepared to go home after watching the ceremonies. I wnr down to the field to watch the ceremonies, and never heard Ken Boswell's name. Went back up to the press box, asked around, confirmed he wasn't mentioned and went to work. "oversight", my ass. I wrote this story Saturday night: http://baseballdigest.com/featured/2009/history-lesson-needed-again/ Edgy DC Aug 24 2009 09:20 AM Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell. seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 09:43 AM I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":11y10te3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:11y10te3] Nah, just someone who preferred to remain anonymous Ashie62 Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":enz20si3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:enz20si3] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not? Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:00 AM ="seawolf17":2l6csejw]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:2l6csejw] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413 Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:01 AM ="Ashie62":yk1774wh]="Edgy DC":yk1774wh]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:yk1774wh] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not?[/quote:yk1774wh] Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think? seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 10:23 AM ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]="seawolf17":356tv05p]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:356tv05p] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413[/quote:356tv05p] Knew I hadn't completely lost my mind. Maybe they just hate old second basemen; someone get Roberto Alomar to call and ask for tickets. ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think?[/quote:356tv05p] That made me laugh.

Utley didn't misch that

Maybe Redding gets inspired.

="Kong76":1i5etl25]Wow, Nolan Ryan showed up![/quote:1i5etl25] a great moment Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 05:21 PM Wow!! I feel OLD OK Seaver goes 2 Koos 2 Ryan 2 McAndrew & Gentry 1 bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 05:23 PM Great ceremony. It would be nice if the '09 Mets could capture that magic for one night and win this game. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 05:25 PM In response the 2009 Mets will lose 38 of their last 49 bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 05:42 PM From [u:1cq3dsfh]Esquire[/u:1cq3dsfh], on Tim McGraw's origins: The founding legend of Tim McGraw is one of the great contemporary American stories: He is born in Delhi, Louisiana, on May 1, 1967, and spends his childhood as Timmy Smith, believing Horace Smith to be his biological father. When he's eleven, he finds his birth certificate in a closet. It says his name is Samuel Timothy McGraw. He confronts his mom, Betty, who has recently divorced Horace. She fesses up. Tim's real daddy is Tug McGraw, the famous big-league pitcher--formerly a Met, now a Phillie--who's as famous for his party-guy persona as he is for his screwball. (Tug once told a reporter, "Ninety percent of the money I've earned in baseball I've invested in women, cars, parties, and booze. The other 10 percent I wasted.") Betty contacts Tug and arranges a meeting in Houston, the closest city with a National League team. Tug is friendly to Tim but refuses to acknowledge that he's the boy's father. Tim goes home and changes his name to Tim McGraw anyway. About a year later, another meeting is arranged, also in Houston. But this time, Tug goes out of his way to be an asshole. He lets Tim come down to the dugout but blows off Betty's invitation to see them later. Tim goes home and changes his name back to Tim Smith. More than five years pass, during which Tim sends letters and leaves messages. Tug answers none of the letters; he returns none of the calls. Tim's a teenager now, and he's pissed. In his senior year of high school, he decides he wants to go to college and that, goddammit, his rich father ought to help pay for it. So for the first time ever, Betty asks Tug for money. Tug agrees, on the condition that they sign a contract stipulating that a) neither Tim nor Betty can ever contact him again, and Tim can't ever use the name McGraw. Tim counters, saying he'll accept those terms only if Tug grants him one last meeting. When Tug shows up in Houston with his lawyer, he takes one look at this six-foot-tall, seventeen-year-old kid and realizes, at long last, that Tim is his son. Tug can't do it. He tears up the contract. And the healing begins. Read more: http://www.esquire.com/ESQ0206TIMMCGRAW_100_1?click=main_sr#ixzz0OxTrloOm Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 05:46 PM ="bmfc1":287r8cjk]Tim McGraw seems like a good guy. He has a charitable foundation in his father's name. Maybe he's on tour. (He's not on tour. Maybe Faith Hill is keeping him busy.)[/quote:287r8cjk] Tim & Tim were not on speaking terms for many years bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 05:56 PM Despite the way Tug treated Tim, when Tug was diagnosed w/brain cancer, Tim was there for him. He paid for his treatment and flew his family in when the end was near. Tug moved onto Tim's property so he didn't have to die in a hospital. I'm not a big fan of Tim's music, but I have great admiration for Tim, and his wife Faith Hill, for the way they treated Tug. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 06:19 PM ="Fman99":1j9gs7gb]DId anyone ever give Joe Pignatano the nickname "Joe Pig"?[/quote:1j9gs7gb] I believe he was known as "J-Pig" in the parlance of the day. ="Fman99":1j9gs7gb]Yogi in a Mets jersey, the Steinbrenners are all somewhere pooing themselves.[/quote:1j9gs7gb] Probably why they Yankees gave up two touchdowns today. I'm pissed I missed this whole thing -- forgot to set the DVR. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:28 PM I fucked up my recorder also..shit..well, SNY will show it often About Tug...Beloved Met for sure, but at a Met game at Jarry park in the dark ages he was nas-tee... The good part was pitchers warmed on the 1B lines and Seaver was starting (Sciatica year 1975 or 6) and a got a pitching coaches view of the warm-up. Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:18 PM The game is/was worth recording too, the interviews are more interesting than the action on the field -- and Ralph in the middle of it. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:21 PM ="Kong76":36ol95xc]The game is/was worth recording too, the interviews are more interesting than the action on the field.[/quote:36ol95xc] Gentry was brilliant.... Cohen - " Gary is was great to talk to you and for you to be part of this great night" Gentry - " Ah guys it's great to meet you guys and shoot the shhhh , talk things up" hilatious Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:36 PM That was Grote, but yeah I caught the shoot the shhh and laughed. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:43 PM Grote of course , nice chat with Garrett from KB Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM Kevin interviews people well ... I hope he doesn't end up in another team's booth down the road any time soon. Our booth is kind of full. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:50 PM Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:23 PM ="metirish":12yrn8lo]Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though.[/quote:12yrn8lo] I think they all have been lit up ala Casey Stengal..just don't fall off Ron's seat A Boy Named Seo Aug 22 2009 10:53 PM If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 03:56 AM ="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. metirish Aug 23 2009 08:58 AM ="G-Fafif"]="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. Excellent read , on SNY Gary as soon as they cut to him mentioned that Boswell had been omitted . Not good obviously. Edgy DC Aug 23 2009 11:28 AM No shortage of cheap shots in the top half, though --- big contracts to injured players, Oliver Perez, Jeff Wilpon. Easy. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:11 AM I went to the game for the specific reason of interviewing the 1969 guys. Spent a great 30-35 minutes with the group in a formal PC a few hours before the game...got the chance to chat with one or two afterwards, and was fully prepared to go home after watching the ceremonies. I wnr down to the field to watch the ceremonies, and never heard Ken Boswell's name. Went back up to the press box, asked around, confirmed he wasn't mentioned and went to work. "oversight", my ass. I wrote this story Saturday night: http://baseballdigest.com/featured/2009/history-lesson-needed-again/ Edgy DC Aug 24 2009 09:20 AM Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell. seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 09:43 AM I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":11y10te3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:11y10te3] Nah, just someone who preferred to remain anonymous Ashie62 Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":enz20si3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:enz20si3] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not? Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:00 AM ="seawolf17":2l6csejw]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:2l6csejw] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413 Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:01 AM ="Ashie62":yk1774wh]="Edgy DC":yk1774wh]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:yk1774wh] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not?[/quote:yk1774wh] Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think? seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 10:23 AM ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]="seawolf17":356tv05p]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:356tv05p] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413[/quote:356tv05p] Knew I hadn't completely lost my mind. Maybe they just hate old second basemen; someone get Roberto Alomar to call and ask for tickets. ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think?[/quote:356tv05p] That made me laugh.

="Fman99":rgwzafes]So far these guys look pretty healthy, not too obese or beat up.[/quote:rgwzafes] I'm watching and thinking wow all these guys look great. A wonderful ceremony and several goose bump moments Kong76 Aug 22 2009 05:16 PM Wow, Nolan Ryan showed up! metirish Aug 22 2009 05:20 PM ="Kong76":1i5etl25]Wow, Nolan Ryan showed up![/quote:1i5etl25] a great moment Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 05:21 PM Wow!! I feel OLD OK Seaver goes 2 Koos 2 Ryan 2 McAndrew & Gentry 1 bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 05:23 PM Great ceremony. It would be nice if the '09 Mets could capture that magic for one night and win this game. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 05:25 PM In response the 2009 Mets will lose 38 of their last 49 bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 05:42 PM From [u:1cq3dsfh]Esquire[/u:1cq3dsfh], on Tim McGraw's origins: The founding legend of Tim McGraw is one of the great contemporary American stories: He is born in Delhi, Louisiana, on May 1, 1967, and spends his childhood as Timmy Smith, believing Horace Smith to be his biological father. When he's eleven, he finds his birth certificate in a closet. It says his name is Samuel Timothy McGraw. He confronts his mom, Betty, who has recently divorced Horace. She fesses up. Tim's real daddy is Tug McGraw, the famous big-league pitcher--formerly a Met, now a Phillie--who's as famous for his party-guy persona as he is for his screwball. (Tug once told a reporter, "Ninety percent of the money I've earned in baseball I've invested in women, cars, parties, and booze. The other 10 percent I wasted.") Betty contacts Tug and arranges a meeting in Houston, the closest city with a National League team. Tug is friendly to Tim but refuses to acknowledge that he's the boy's father. Tim goes home and changes his name to Tim McGraw anyway. About a year later, another meeting is arranged, also in Houston. But this time, Tug goes out of his way to be an asshole. He lets Tim come down to the dugout but blows off Betty's invitation to see them later. Tim goes home and changes his name back to Tim Smith. More than five years pass, during which Tim sends letters and leaves messages. Tug answers none of the letters; he returns none of the calls. Tim's a teenager now, and he's pissed. In his senior year of high school, he decides he wants to go to college and that, goddammit, his rich father ought to help pay for it. So for the first time ever, Betty asks Tug for money. Tug agrees, on the condition that they sign a contract stipulating that a) neither Tim nor Betty can ever contact him again, and Tim can't ever use the name McGraw. Tim counters, saying he'll accept those terms only if Tug grants him one last meeting. When Tug shows up in Houston with his lawyer, he takes one look at this six-foot-tall, seventeen-year-old kid and realizes, at long last, that Tim is his son. Tug can't do it. He tears up the contract. And the healing begins. Read more: http://www.esquire.com/ESQ0206TIMMCGRAW_100_1?click=main_sr#ixzz0OxTrloOm Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 05:46 PM ="bmfc1":287r8cjk]Tim McGraw seems like a good guy. He has a charitable foundation in his father's name. Maybe he's on tour. (He's not on tour. Maybe Faith Hill is keeping him busy.)[/quote:287r8cjk] Tim & Tim were not on speaking terms for many years bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 05:56 PM Despite the way Tug treated Tim, when Tug was diagnosed w/brain cancer, Tim was there for him. He paid for his treatment and flew his family in when the end was near. Tug moved onto Tim's property so he didn't have to die in a hospital. I'm not a big fan of Tim's music, but I have great admiration for Tim, and his wife Faith Hill, for the way they treated Tug. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 06:19 PM ="Fman99":1j9gs7gb]DId anyone ever give Joe Pignatano the nickname "Joe Pig"?[/quote:1j9gs7gb] I believe he was known as "J-Pig" in the parlance of the day. ="Fman99":1j9gs7gb]Yogi in a Mets jersey, the Steinbrenners are all somewhere pooing themselves.[/quote:1j9gs7gb] Probably why they Yankees gave up two touchdowns today. I'm pissed I missed this whole thing -- forgot to set the DVR. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:28 PM I fucked up my recorder also..shit..well, SNY will show it often About Tug...Beloved Met for sure, but at a Met game at Jarry park in the dark ages he was nas-tee... The good part was pitchers warmed on the 1B lines and Seaver was starting (Sciatica year 1975 or 6) and a got a pitching coaches view of the warm-up. Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:18 PM The game is/was worth recording too, the interviews are more interesting than the action on the field -- and Ralph in the middle of it. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:21 PM ="Kong76":36ol95xc]The game is/was worth recording too, the interviews are more interesting than the action on the field.[/quote:36ol95xc] Gentry was brilliant.... Cohen - " Gary is was great to talk to you and for you to be part of this great night" Gentry - " Ah guys it's great to meet you guys and shoot the shhhh , talk things up" hilatious Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:36 PM That was Grote, but yeah I caught the shoot the shhh and laughed. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:43 PM Grote of course , nice chat with Garrett from KB Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM Kevin interviews people well ... I hope he doesn't end up in another team's booth down the road any time soon. Our booth is kind of full. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:50 PM Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:23 PM ="metirish":12yrn8lo]Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though.[/quote:12yrn8lo] I think they all have been lit up ala Casey Stengal..just don't fall off Ron's seat A Boy Named Seo Aug 22 2009 10:53 PM If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 03:56 AM ="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. metirish Aug 23 2009 08:58 AM ="G-Fafif"]="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. Excellent read , on SNY Gary as soon as they cut to him mentioned that Boswell had been omitted . Not good obviously. Edgy DC Aug 23 2009 11:28 AM No shortage of cheap shots in the top half, though --- big contracts to injured players, Oliver Perez, Jeff Wilpon. Easy. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:11 AM I went to the game for the specific reason of interviewing the 1969 guys. Spent a great 30-35 minutes with the group in a formal PC a few hours before the game...got the chance to chat with one or two afterwards, and was fully prepared to go home after watching the ceremonies. I wnr down to the field to watch the ceremonies, and never heard Ken Boswell's name. Went back up to the press box, asked around, confirmed he wasn't mentioned and went to work. "oversight", my ass. I wrote this story Saturday night: http://baseballdigest.com/featured/2009/history-lesson-needed-again/ Edgy DC Aug 24 2009 09:20 AM Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell. seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 09:43 AM I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":11y10te3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:11y10te3] Nah, just someone who preferred to remain anonymous Ashie62 Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":enz20si3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:enz20si3] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not? Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:00 AM ="seawolf17":2l6csejw]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:2l6csejw] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413 Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:01 AM ="Ashie62":yk1774wh]="Edgy DC":yk1774wh]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:yk1774wh] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not?[/quote:yk1774wh] Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think? seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 10:23 AM ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]="seawolf17":356tv05p]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:356tv05p] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413[/quote:356tv05p] Knew I hadn't completely lost my mind. Maybe they just hate old second basemen; someone get Roberto Alomar to call and ask for tickets. ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think?[/quote:356tv05p] That made me laugh.

Howie's eyes are creeping me out, he looks different. Did he have work done?

I was hoping Minaya might pull a fast one and recall Seaver or Ryan after DFAing Green. What a lineup that is

I guess like Oliie he was prone to walking too much.... walks will kill ya as they say

Is it a sign of the bad times with the downturn in the economy(how I hate that term) that the likes of Smith is covering baseball . From what I know of him he is a boxing guy.