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Plus, the Mets are wearing 1978 (at the earliest) unis.

Are you sure that's 1976? There's what looks like Kingman in a Cubs cap at the very top left of the picture. And the Pirates didn't have those mix-n-match unis until 1977.

That #18 sure looks like Youngblood.

Vince Coleman Firecracker wrote: Yeah, relievers get killed on VORP (perhaps deservedly), but I can't see giving the CY Young to a relief pitcher when a starter has an all-time great season. I would tend to agree here. Consider the following hypothetical. The starting star pitcher on your favorite baseball team opens the season in phenomenal fashion, throwing a complete game two-hit shutout and striking out 11 batters. He continues to pitch at this level for the entire month of April, finishing the month with a 4-0 record and some no-decisions thrown in. He's the pitcher of the month and is leading the league in K's and ERA. His dominance continues through the month of May. On Memorial Day, he closes out the month by pitching a complete game no-hitter. His record now stands at 9-0. He is leading the league in every single important pitching statistical category and makes the cover of Sports Illustrated for the issue following his no-hitter. (Jinx!) After his no-hitter, while travelling back to his home, he is involved in a minor automobile collision and, while nobody is seriously hurt, the star pitcher is jostled around from the impact and bangs his throwing shoulder against the car interior. The pitcher sustains a season-ending injury. Could you vote this starting pitcher for the Cy Young Award?

Lidge sucks. Chavez walks.

There's no way this Lidge can continue to pitch at this unhittable pace. He's due for a real larrupin' right here.

Maybe Chavez could redeem himself here.

It's deja vu all over again.

Jesus H. Christ! Did the bookies get to the Mets or something?

That f*****n Chavez base-running debacle from earlier -- no, make that two base running debacles -- came back, didn't they?

Does metbot do defensive leverage? If so, what does he do to separate the pitching from the fielding?

Blue Caps and Snow white tops.

The Phirst Phight Phur Phirst (Philet of Phish watch, too: IGT Phils @ Mets - 7/22/08 Phils 1. J. Rollins, SS 2. C. Utley, 2B 3. P. Burrell, LF 4. R. Howard, 1B 5. J. Werth, RF 6. P. Feliz, 3B 7. S. Victorino, CF 8. C. Ruiz, C 9. J. Blanton, P Mets 1. J. Reyes, SS 2. E. Chavez, RF 3. D. Wright, 3B 4. C. Beltran, CF 5. C. Delgado, 1B 6. D. Easley, 2B 7. M. Anderson, LF 8. R. Castro, C (2d straight start - both against RHP's) 9. J. Santana, P

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd like to see the 1988 NL MVP re-voted. I really thought Darryl was going to win that one. (And I'd much rather see the Mets end their MVP drought than their no-hitter drought.) I was deciding between 88 and 85 in my Gooden post. 88- I vote Straw.

="AG/DC"]="batmagadanleadoff"]Clemens should've won the 1990 Cy Young award unanimously. No one was close. He pitched in Fenway that year. See, my position is that this is really hard and that others are close. Four walks. There's different levels of close. There's close to Clemens, on the one hand, but not close enough that anyone could reasonbly claim that Clemens wasn't the best. As I see it. For me, the decision becomes easy once I eliminate the relievers from first place consideration. I don't see how Eck or Thigpen could match Clemens in value pitching less than one third of the innings Clemens pitched. Welch had a gaudy won-loss record because he was very good (though not Clemens good) and received more run support than just about anybody in the AL that season. And then there are the ballparks - Fenway and the Oakland Coliseum - two stadiums about as far apart as possible on the spectrum of offense for 1990.

="AG/DC"]Crane Pool Re-Writing History Forum Giving Clemens Record Eighth Cy Young Let's redo the 1985 MVP vote.

Bob Welch, 1990's AL Cy Young award winner, finished 9th in that season's MVP vote, behind his pitching teammates Dave Stewart (8th place) and Dennis Eckersley (6th Place). Clemens finished 3rd in that season's MVP voting.

Clemens should've won the 1990 Cy Young award unanimously. No one was close. He pitched in Fenway that year.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Batmag either has to make another post, or we have to shrink that Jay Payton image! Done. On programming though, here's an idea: why can't this forum be designed so that, for example, this post of mine right here will always be #668. My very first post (and everybody else's) will be permanently designated as a #1 post. Only my next post will be designated as #669, etc? Good idea? Bad idea?

I wouldn't mind those missing curlicues so much if that logo was installed as an homage to the NY Giants. There's enough Brooklyn Dodger stuff planned for Citi Field that I 'm beginning to wonder which team will bat first when the LA Dodgers come to town.

SteveJRogers wrote: Pelfrey is now tied with Eric Hillman with 36 games started, the most for a career Met, they are tied with Tug McGraw for 54th all-time in starts by a Met pitcher. Carlos Delgado's leading the NL in OBP this month.

Delgado's also leading all of baseball in Runs Created for the month of July with 20 (ESPN.com formula).

Carlos Delgado is leading the NL in OBP for the month of July.* He's second only to Manny Ramirez (.508 to .500) (*Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.)

metsguyinmichigan wrote: My only beef.... I'm sure you know this, but Cincinnati is famous for its' Chili. Skyline Chili is Cincy's best known. It's touted everywhere, including the Food Network whenever FoodTV does either a chili show or a baseball food show. During Saturday's broadcast, Gary Cohen said that Cincinnati's chili, particularly Skyline Chili, was the worst Chili he'd ever eaten. Cohen essentially described it as a watery, flavorless soup of a mess. Gary then asked Hernandez for his opinion, assuming all the while that Keith had been eating the stuff for decades, dating back to his days as a Major League rookie. Keith said he'd never eaten Cincy chili and revealed that he has a sensitive stomach, thus making it unlikely that Keith'd ever eat chili. So how was the Cincy chili?

="metsguyinmichigan"] Lots of fan-friendly features. The Reds are supposed to have the best team Hall of Fame exhibit in the Majors, qualitatively as good as Baseball's HOF in Cooperstown, but obviously scaled down because it's featuring but one team. Have you seen it? (I was never in Cincinnati). Oh, and congrats on ending that losing streak. If the Mets had lost yesterday, I'da started calling you Mets Mush in Michigan. (P.S. - I'm taking a little bit of credit for your streak ender because yesterday was the only time I ever started the In Game Thread).