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I guess it was worth a look to take a look at the "worth a look" thread. I was wondering how this news could have gone unnoticed here for over two hours.

Mets add a big bat, agree to sign veteran slugger Gary Sheffield Surly slugger Gary Sheffield is back in the Big Apple. The Mets agreed Friday afternoon to sign Sheffield after he was unexpectedly released on Tuesday by the Tigers. Detroit still owes Sheffield $14 million for this season, so the Mets are only obligated to pay him the major-league minimum of $400,000. Other teams reportedly interested in Sheffield included the Phillies and Reds. The Daily News first reported in Friday's editions that the Mets were going to "discuss" adding the 40-year-old slugger with 499 career home runs to their roster. Now that those discussions have turned into reality, Sheffield will likely take playing time away from either Dan Murphy or Ryan Church. Jerry Manuel said Friday that he wants to get Sheffield "in shape to play an outfield position." "Once he does that and gets the at-bats .... If the performance is there, he'll continue to play," Manuel added. Neither corner outfielder seemed upset over Sheffield's arrival. "He's more than welcome," Church said. "He's a great player and he's just another piece for us. "I can't control what they do," the right fielder added in regards to potential at-bats he'd surrender to Sheffield, who played exclusively at DH last year in Detroit. "I just have to always be ready to play every day." Murphy, who Manuel penciled in as the starting left fielder coming out of spring training, added: "We're here to win a World Series. If the organization and Omar (Minaya) think he's going to help, let's go get him." Both Manuel and Minaya indicated that Sheffield is more likely to play right field than left and said the righty slugger can balance the Mets' lineup, which has been dominated by lefthanded hitters in recent seasons. Sheffield's agent, Rufus Williams, said the slugger would sign with a team that offered him ample playing time, so he can audition himself for another contract in 2010. "You don't show much when you're sitting on the bench," Williams said on Thursday. ".... It's important for him to get an opportunity to play." "Jerry was very clear to Gary what his role was going to be coming in and Gary is excited," Minaya said. The addition of Sheffield may mean the end of Marlon Anderson's Mets tenure. The team would likely have to eat Anderson's $1.5 million contract in order to clear room for Sheffield. Sheffield - the nephew of former Met and Yankee hurler Dwight Gooden - clashed with manager Joe Torre during his three-year run (2004-2006) in The Bronx, going as far as to claim that Torre treated black and white players differently in the Yankees clubhouse in a 2007 interview. His impact on the Mets clubhouse and the laid-back Jerry Manuel remains to be seen. "As for the clubhouse thing, I don't recollect teammates ever having an issue with Gary Sheffield," said Manuel, who coached Sheffield on the 1997 World Series-winning Marlins team. Slugger Carlos Delgado said a healthy Sheffield can "definitely" help the Mets. "This is a guy who's had a great career," Delgado said. "He's one home run away from 500. If he's healthy he's going to be an asset." Sheffield hit just .225 with 19 homers and 57 RBI in 418 at-bats for Detroit last season, but Mets fifth-starter Livan Hernandez said the slugger is still a threat at the plate - and not just because of his always-intimidating scowl. "I faced him last year and when he's at home plate you still have to respect him," said Hernandez, who was a teammate of Sheffield's on the World Champion 1997 Marlins. The Mets will be Sheffield's eighth team in his 21-year career. He is a nine-time All-Star, and a .292 career hitter with 1,633 RBI. Last season the Mets found a gem in Fernando Tatis, who won comeback player of the year honors after hitting .297 with 11 homers. Minaya hopes that Sheffield can keep the award in Queens. "Hopefully we can put a plan in place to have another comeback player of the year this year," the GM said. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2009/04/03/2009-04-03_mets_add_a_big_bat_agree_to_sign_veteran.html

From Baseball Reference's Home Page: Today in Baseball History--1966 - The New York Mets sign University of Southern California star Tom Seaver to his first contract, including a $50,000 bonus. Seaver had been selected by the Atlanta Braves in the January draft, but Commissioner Spike Eckert voided the deal when he signed a contract after USC's season had already begun. The Mets beat out the Cleveland Indians and Philadelphia Phillies in a lottery for Seaver's services.

="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you.

="Benjamin Grimm":436p189c]Opening Day starts?[/quote:436p189c] What about opening day starters who started more than one opening day game? I know that Randy Jones and Pat Zachry were opening day starters (once). So was Santana, last season. soupcan Apr 03 2009 10:46 AM All guys that have never been in my kitchen in order of whether I'd want them there or not. SteveJRogers Apr 03 2009 10:56 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qqfgqk9]="Benjamin Grimm":3qqfgqk9]Opening Day starts?[/quote:3qqfgqk9] What about opening day starters who started more than one opening day game? I know that Randy Jones and Pat Zachry were opening day starters (once). So was Santana, last season.[/quote:3qqfgqk9] Ding, ding. soupcan Apr 03 2009 10:59 AM Excuse me, my answer is correct as well. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 03 2009 11:02 AM ="soupcan":2ndd6cre]Excuse me, my answer is correct as well.[/quote:2ndd6cre] Gl*vine over Roger Craig? I know this is subjective and all... but really? soupcan Apr 03 2009 11:08 AM You're assuming that I would most want Tom Seaver and least want Craig Swan when in fact the opposite is true. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 03 2009 11:15 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 03 2009 11:16 AM Fair enough. Leiter over Dwight? As long as he stays out of the bathroom, and away from horizontal mirrors... (Plus, I'd reconsider Seaver-- if a case full of free vino riding shotgun/drowning the blowhard-iness, George Thomas is welcome in my cocina any time.) Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 11:15 AM I'd want Rusty Staub in my kitchen. He could give me some good Louisiana cooking tips. soupcan Apr 03 2009 11:22 AM I'd go for the free Rolfing over the average wine. Also, while it may be true that Leiter is a Republican, Dwight betrayed me. I can't let that go. Leiter over Jones is a tough call but what can you do?

="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field.

In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game.

="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job.

="cooby":2oo4jehf]struck out his first batter[/quote:2oo4jehf] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those. metsmarathon Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM started multiple all star games John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:37 PM ="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:41 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

="seawolf17":3pk9qczv]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:3pk9qczv] Randy Jones started an all-star game. Dock Ellis also started one. cooby Apr 02 2009 08:55 PM struck out his first batter batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:49 PM ="cooby":2oo4jehf]struck out his first batter[/quote:2oo4jehf] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those. metsmarathon Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM started multiple all star games John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:37 PM ="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:41 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

Nolan Ryan never did it.

="seawolf17":1x3ivcn2]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:1x3ivcn2] If that's the best you can do, Mike Scott started one. So did Saberhagen. So did Seaver. So did Viola. Among others. Don't give up. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:10 PM Nolan Ryan never did it. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:27 PM ="seawolf17":3pk9qczv]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:3pk9qczv] Randy Jones started an all-star game. Dock Ellis also started one. cooby Apr 02 2009 08:55 PM struck out his first batter batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:49 PM ="cooby":2oo4jehf]struck out his first batter[/quote:2oo4jehf] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those. metsmarathon Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM started multiple all star games John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:37 PM ="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:41 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

="Rockin' Doc":13l44go0]My first thought was that they each pitched a no hitter, but that obviously isn't what you're looking for since Seaver would have definitely been on that list. Everything that I can think of off the top of my head (Wins leader for season, no hitter, Cy Young Winners, etc...) for that group, Seaver accomplished as well. I'm stumped.[/quote:13l44go0] I'll stump you some more. Pedro Martinez never did it either. Johan Santana? Nope. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:07 PM ="seawolf17":1x3ivcn2]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:1x3ivcn2] If that's the best you can do, Mike Scott started one. So did Saberhagen. So did Seaver. So did Viola. Among others. Don't give up. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:10 PM Nolan Ryan never did it. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:27 PM ="seawolf17":3pk9qczv]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:3pk9qczv] Randy Jones started an all-star game. Dock Ellis also started one. cooby Apr 02 2009 08:55 PM struck out his first batter batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:49 PM ="cooby":2oo4jehf]struck out his first batter[/quote:2oo4jehf] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those. metsmarathon Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM started multiple all star games John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:37 PM ="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:41 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

="metirish":aq3imr2x]Triple crown winners[/quote:aq3imr2x] Your answer is affirmed. Not. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 08:03 PM My first thought was that they each pitched a no hitter, but that obviously isn't what you're looking for since Seaver would have definitely been on that list. Everything that I can think of off the top of my head (Wins leader for season, no hitter, Cy Young Winners, etc...) for that group, Seaver accomplished as well. I'm stumped. seawolf17 Apr 02 2009 08:05 PM All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe? batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:06 PM ="Rockin' Doc":13l44go0]My first thought was that they each pitched a no hitter, but that obviously isn't what you're looking for since Seaver would have definitely been on that list. Everything that I can think of off the top of my head (Wins leader for season, no hitter, Cy Young Winners, etc...) for that group, Seaver accomplished as well. I'm stumped.[/quote:13l44go0] I'll stump you some more. Pedro Martinez never did it either. Johan Santana? Nope. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:07 PM ="seawolf17":1x3ivcn2]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:1x3ivcn2] If that's the best you can do, Mike Scott started one. So did Saberhagen. So did Seaver. So did Viola. Among others. Don't give up. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:10 PM Nolan Ryan never did it. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:27 PM ="seawolf17":3pk9qczv]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:3pk9qczv] Randy Jones started an all-star game. Dock Ellis also started one. cooby Apr 02 2009 08:55 PM struck out his first batter batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:49 PM ="cooby":2oo4jehf]struck out his first batter[/quote:2oo4jehf] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those. metsmarathon Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM started multiple all star games John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:37 PM ="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:41 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

="dinosaur jesus":4a3umgrz]Dean Chance didn't lead the league in strikeouts. I'm trying to work out what he did that Saberhagen (not on this list) didn't.[/quote:4a3umgrz] And Seaver! Seaver didn't do it either. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:02 PM ="metirish":aq3imr2x]Triple crown winners[/quote:aq3imr2x] Your answer is affirmed. Not. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 08:03 PM My first thought was that they each pitched a no hitter, but that obviously isn't what you're looking for since Seaver would have definitely been on that list. Everything that I can think of off the top of my head (Wins leader for season, no hitter, Cy Young Winners, etc...) for that group, Seaver accomplished as well. I'm stumped. seawolf17 Apr 02 2009 08:05 PM All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe? batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:06 PM ="Rockin' Doc":13l44go0]My first thought was that they each pitched a no hitter, but that obviously isn't what you're looking for since Seaver would have definitely been on that list. Everything that I can think of off the top of my head (Wins leader for season, no hitter, Cy Young Winners, etc...) for that group, Seaver accomplished as well. I'm stumped.[/quote:13l44go0] I'll stump you some more. Pedro Martinez never did it either. Johan Santana? Nope. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:07 PM ="seawolf17":1x3ivcn2]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:1x3ivcn2] If that's the best you can do, Mike Scott started one. So did Saberhagen. So did Seaver. So did Viola. Among others. Don't give up. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:10 PM Nolan Ryan never did it. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:27 PM ="seawolf17":3pk9qczv]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:3pk9qczv] Randy Jones started an all-star game. Dock Ellis also started one. cooby Apr 02 2009 08:55 PM struck out his first batter batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:49 PM ="cooby":2oo4jehf]struck out his first batter[/quote:2oo4jehf] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those. metsmarathon Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM started multiple all star games John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:37 PM ="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:41 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

="cooby":1m9pz8fv]rookie home run[/quote:1m9pz8fv] [u:1m9pz8fv]Hint #3[/u:1m9pz8fv]. The answer is a pitching feat. DocTee Apr 02 2009 07:47 PM Led league in hit batsmen and wild pitches metirish Apr 02 2009 07:48 PM Triple crown winners dinosaur jesus Apr 02 2009 08:00 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 08:01 PM They didn't all win the triple crown. I'm trying to work out what Dean Chance did that Saberhagen (not on this list) didn't. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:01 PM ="dinosaur jesus":4a3umgrz]Dean Chance didn't lead the league in strikeouts. I'm trying to work out what he did that Saberhagen (not on this list) didn't.[/quote:4a3umgrz] And Seaver! Seaver didn't do it either. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:02 PM ="metirish":aq3imr2x]Triple crown winners[/quote:aq3imr2x] Your answer is affirmed. Not. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 08:03 PM My first thought was that they each pitched a no hitter, but that obviously isn't what you're looking for since Seaver would have definitely been on that list. Everything that I can think of off the top of my head (Wins leader for season, no hitter, Cy Young Winners, etc...) for that group, Seaver accomplished as well. I'm stumped. seawolf17 Apr 02 2009 08:05 PM All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe? batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:06 PM ="Rockin' Doc":13l44go0]My first thought was that they each pitched a no hitter, but that obviously isn't what you're looking for since Seaver would have definitely been on that list. Everything that I can think of off the top of my head (Wins leader for season, no hitter, Cy Young Winners, etc...) for that group, Seaver accomplished as well. I'm stumped.[/quote:13l44go0] I'll stump you some more. Pedro Martinez never did it either. Johan Santana? Nope. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:07 PM ="seawolf17":1x3ivcn2]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:1x3ivcn2] If that's the best you can do, Mike Scott started one. So did Saberhagen. So did Seaver. So did Viola. Among others. Don't give up. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:10 PM Nolan Ryan never did it. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:27 PM ="seawolf17":3pk9qczv]All-Star Game? Starting an All-Star Game, maybe?[/quote:3pk9qczv] Randy Jones started an all-star game. Dock Ellis also started one. cooby Apr 02 2009 08:55 PM struck out his first batter batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:49 PM ="cooby":2oo4jehf]struck out his first batter[/quote:2oo4jehf] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those. metsmarathon Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM started multiple all star games John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 10:33 PM I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:37 PM ="metsmarathon"]started multiple all star games We have a winner! (And seawolf's gonna kill me, but fair is fair. What would Alex Trebek have done?) The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in two All-Star Games. Spahn ('58 and '61) Chance ('64 and '67) Gooden ('86 and '88) Glavine ('91 and '92) Good job. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:41 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gnoo1co]I think I know. Had a season with a sub 2 ERA[/quote:3gnoo1co] Seaver had a 1.76 ERA in 1971. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 11:00 PM My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 11:32 PM ="Edgy DC":73xqxkte]My late-coming guess: threw a one hitter as a rookie. Glavine didn't qualify, though.[/quote:73xqxkte] Kevin Appier and Hideo Nomo, among a few other one-time Mets, threw one-hitters as rookies. Nomo also started the '95 All Star Game during his, ahem, "rookie" if you wanna call it that, year. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 11:31 PM In his rookie season, Jae Seo was the starting pitcher for the Mets in a combined one-hitter against the Marlins. Met pitchers faced the minimum 27 batters in that game. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 12:20 PM spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 02:07 PM ="metsmarathon"]spahn started in '49 also. that's why i said multiple, and not two. The following pitchers - Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine - are the only one-time Mets to have been the starting pitcher in more than one All-Star Game. Extra credit for you. cooby Apr 03 2009 06:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":311d7ncm]="cooby":311d7ncm]struck out his first batter[/quote:311d7ncm] How come you don't tell us any more cat stories? I like those.[/quote:311d7ncm] Thank you! I will! (somebody likes my cat stories! somebody likes my cat stories!)

These are the only four Met pitchers to have accomplished this feat in their MLB (not necessarily Met) careers: Warren Spahn, Dean Chance, Dwight Gooden and Tom Glavine. [u:j3ab8pkq]Hint #1[/u:j3ab8pkq]. It's a positive accomplishment; something each pitcher should be proud of. [u:j3ab8pkq]Hint #2[/u:j3ab8pkq]. The answer to this question can be confirmed very easily, in any reasonably comprehensive baseball database. The answer to this question is not some obscure feat like least triples given up on a Thursday in June or something of that nature.

="Nymr83":f5xc7li3]as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns[/quote:f5xc7li3] Understood. I assume that we're all posting hypothetically -- under the premise that we don't know for sure if and why the student was ejected. By the way, I dislike the idea that the Mets could impose a dress code in the press box, although they have the right to, if that's their choice. Otherwise, the slope really has slipped; does this mean that the Phillies broadcasters (e.g. Harry Kalas) can't wear Phillie gear? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 10:08 AM You know, the Warriors just wanted to walk peacefully through the Orphans' territory, but the Orphans insisted they remove their colors. And we know how that turned out. Centerfield Apr 02 2009 10:43 AM Since we're all up on a pedestal in this thread: The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category. I wouldn't want to see the Mets make any such limitations in the press box or in the stands. The obvious exception is employees of the organization, who should wear whatever the fuck the Mets tell them to wear. As such, St. John's, or any other employer, be it the Philly newspapers or otherwise, has every right, and should, if they feel it is necessary, to restrict the apparel of any of their employees during company time. That means if your boss tells you to take off the Phillies jacket, take off the Phillies jacket. If your boss gives you a jacket to wear, put the damn thing on. Turning our attention to loser-Fonzie-wannabe-Philly-Fan...he was not removed from CitiField for his apparel. He was given a choice to follow orders, or quit, from his boss. He chose to quit. The only reason he had to leave was because his job was his basis for being at the game. If he had then gone outside and bought a ticket, he could have come back inside and worn his Phillies jacket and held up a sign that said "St. John's = Big Brother" if he so chose. He did not. So fuck him. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 11:14 AM CF - "The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category...." I don't know CF, I find a Yankee cap to be rather distasteful. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 11:21 AM No employer or team should prevent him from wearing the jacket, but that doesn't mean he should wear it. It's like cheering in the press box. If I stood in there cheering for the Mets, no one would say, "Hey, we're not supposed to cheer up here." But it would be like the giant douchebag signal shining brightly in the Gothom City sky. There would be plenty of eye-rolling and snide remarks, because sportswriters like the "holier than thou" thing. Suprisingly, the opposite of cheer-leading is openly accepted. You could sit there all day saying "Delgado is a bum" and the writers would likely praise your for your knowledge. The exception is questioning St. Derek's range or intangibles. That will get you booted. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:24 AM It doesn't seem plausible that Mets personnel would have gotten so upset about this when at least several dozen folks in Yank gear-- and probably a handful more in Phil-analia-- were also milling about (having seen a bunch of these vinegary fellows in fan photos). It seems a likelier story that department-head guy was a little antsy about St. John's staff provoking adverse reactions-- even if mild-- on a high-visibility day in a facility that wasn't theirs, and did a bad job of standing his ground when pressed by a smartass ("I'll wear it under the Phils jacket-- what's the problem? No, I haven't eaten shit today-- why do you ask?"). ="batmagadanleadoff"]Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Done and done. (Had been thinking of the Utley quote.) metirish Apr 02 2009 12:40 PM How do we explain this to the Iraqis ? Number 6 Apr 02 2009 09:08 PM To me, there are two things we're talking about here. One is the right of this guy's employer, or the Mets, to dictate what he can and can't wear, and the phan's responsibility to comply. I think CF covered this well; they have a right to tell the guy to take his jacket off. He disagreed, and maybe lost some of the high ground with the passive-aggressive "under the jacket" dickishness, but ultimately he took a stand, no matter how dubious it was, and accepted the consequences. Fine. To me, the more important point is less the right of his employer/the Mets to dictate his dress, but whether they should exercise that right. Let's assume, for the moment, that the order did come from the Mets and not St. John's, and that the phan was as otherwise respectful as he makes himself out to be. Is there anyone who believes that, while retaining the right to do so, the Mets should tell him to take the jacket off? Are Met fans really so childish that a Phillies jacket is an unbearable affront? Would we be OK with the Mets thinking we are? Personally, it really chafes me when I see people wearing Yankees, Braves or Phillies gear to games when that team isn't in the park. And while I don't think it's appropriate for the Mets or anyone else to restrict their right to wear that gear, I am very comfortable with my personal right to judge them. This kid's a dick, but let him broadcast that fact in peace. Nymr83 Apr 03 2009 06:16 AM No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 06:52 AM ="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field. Ashie62 Apr 03 2009 09:45 AM Elaine..You cannot wear the Oriloles hat in mr. Steinbrenner's box!

="metirish":167yrk65]Green could go the Carter route and say he spoke to Heilman and assured him he was joking and doesn't want his job....[/quote:167yrk65] ... or his old number. seawolf17 Apr 02 2009 12:09 PM "I'll wear 48!! Can I manage the team now?" themetfairy Apr 02 2009 12:49 PM Maybe Green is less concerned about the fans than he is about his own preparation. Baseball players are generally a superstitious group. If somehow having Heilman's number is messing with Green's mental preparation for the season, then it's better for all of us to give him a new number and let him have a fresh start. If he's a head case, then let him be a productive head case for us. Zvon Apr 02 2009 01:00 PM This is a nice lil bit of P.R. to start his stint with. By "nice lil bit" I mean ridiculous. Welcome to NY Green. The sharks are not even in the pool yet and you're bleeding. metirish Apr 03 2009 05:14 PM Green wearing #48 tonight . what's the story? John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 06 2009 11:15 AM Green wearing No. 50, MBTN is reporting. Edgy DC Apr 06 2009 11:22 AM And since when is he from Hawaii? A Boy Named Seo Apr 06 2009 11:27 AM Ballsy move wearing 50 after Victor Diaz's 2005 season. Does he think we forget shit like that? Gwreck Apr 07 2009 09:21 AM My first thought was that it wasn't as if Duaner exactly distinguished himself last year, either. Frayed Knot Apr 07 2009 11:04 AM ="Gwreck":iw6823nj]My first thought was that it wasn't as if Duaner exactly distinguished himself last year, either.[/quote:iw6823nj] Yeah think about that; - Sanchez has 1/2 of 1 good year as a Met. He then gets injured in a late-night taxi accident (just had to get Dominican food at that hour, huh?) and spends the remainder of 2+ seasons either injured, out of shape, ineffective, or some combination of the above. - Heilman, on the other hand, turns in 3 seasons of 3.00-3.50 ERAs and sub-1.20 WHiPs before having a lousy season and HE's the one with cooties?!? I know Green is reacting more the the fans' reaction to Heilman/Sanchez but it kind of shows how the thinking is messed up all around. Fman99 Apr 07 2009 11:11 AM ="Frayed Knot":1dj3ixm0]="Gwreck":1dj3ixm0]My first thought was that it wasn't as if Duaner exactly distinguished himself last year, either.[/quote:1dj3ixm0] Yeah think about that; - Sanchez has 1/2 of 1 good year as a Met. He then gets injured in a late-night taxi accident (just had to get Dominican food at that hour, huh?) and spends the remainder of 2+ seasons either injured, out of shape, ineffective, or some combination of the above. - Heilman, on the other hand, turns in 3 seasons of 3.00-3.50 ERAs and sub-1.20 WHiPs before having a lousy season and HE's the one with cooties?!? I know Green is reacting more the the fans' reaction to Heilman/Sanchez but it kind of shows how the thinking is messed up all around.[/quote:1dj3ixm0] The SNY booth actually broached the subject when Green came in. The reasoning they gave was that Green had always worn a number "in the 50s" before and wanted to switch back into that range. They made no mention of Heilman or Fortyeightgate as I will now call it.

The stadium does remind me of Citizens Bank, in that photograph.

="Gwreck":bmmnxytl]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:bmmnxytl] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field? TransMonk Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM The similarities between the huge Pepsi "P" and the Phillies "P" is a bit disturbing. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM That does it. I'm burning that building down. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:24 AM The stadium does remind me of Citizens Bank, in that photograph. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:35 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":1clc7wsc]Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say?[/quote:1clc7wsc] Sports SPDR or something to that effect. They're the sponsor of Mets rain delays. No, I'm not kidding. Gwreck Apr 02 2009 09:49 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":kzvkayl1]="Gwreck":kzvkayl1]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:kzvkayl1] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:kzvkayl1] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave. Nymr83 Apr 02 2009 09:56 AM ="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]="batmagadanleadoff":2wlwkjea]="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:2wlwkjea] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:2wlwkjea] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave.[/quote:2wlwkjea] as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:00 AM ="Nymr83":f5xc7li3]as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns[/quote:f5xc7li3] Understood. I assume that we're all posting hypothetically -- under the premise that we don't know for sure if and why the student was ejected. By the way, I dislike the idea that the Mets could impose a dress code in the press box, although they have the right to, if that's their choice. Otherwise, the slope really has slipped; does this mean that the Phillies broadcasters (e.g. Harry Kalas) can't wear Phillie gear? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 10:08 AM You know, the Warriors just wanted to walk peacefully through the Orphans' territory, but the Orphans insisted they remove their colors. And we know how that turned out. Centerfield Apr 02 2009 10:43 AM Since we're all up on a pedestal in this thread: The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category. I wouldn't want to see the Mets make any such limitations in the press box or in the stands. The obvious exception is employees of the organization, who should wear whatever the fuck the Mets tell them to wear. As such, St. John's, or any other employer, be it the Philly newspapers or otherwise, has every right, and should, if they feel it is necessary, to restrict the apparel of any of their employees during company time. That means if your boss tells you to take off the Phillies jacket, take off the Phillies jacket. If your boss gives you a jacket to wear, put the damn thing on. Turning our attention to loser-Fonzie-wannabe-Philly-Fan...he was not removed from CitiField for his apparel. He was given a choice to follow orders, or quit, from his boss. He chose to quit. The only reason he had to leave was because his job was his basis for being at the game. If he had then gone outside and bought a ticket, he could have come back inside and worn his Phillies jacket and held up a sign that said "St. John's = Big Brother" if he so chose. He did not. So fuck him. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 11:14 AM CF - "The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category...." I don't know CF, I find a Yankee cap to be rather distasteful. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 11:21 AM No employer or team should prevent him from wearing the jacket, but that doesn't mean he should wear it. It's like cheering in the press box. If I stood in there cheering for the Mets, no one would say, "Hey, we're not supposed to cheer up here." But it would be like the giant douchebag signal shining brightly in the Gothom City sky. There would be plenty of eye-rolling and snide remarks, because sportswriters like the "holier than thou" thing. Suprisingly, the opposite of cheer-leading is openly accepted. You could sit there all day saying "Delgado is a bum" and the writers would likely praise your for your knowledge. The exception is questioning St. Derek's range or intangibles. That will get you booted. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:24 AM It doesn't seem plausible that Mets personnel would have gotten so upset about this when at least several dozen folks in Yank gear-- and probably a handful more in Phil-analia-- were also milling about (having seen a bunch of these vinegary fellows in fan photos). It seems a likelier story that department-head guy was a little antsy about St. John's staff provoking adverse reactions-- even if mild-- on a high-visibility day in a facility that wasn't theirs, and did a bad job of standing his ground when pressed by a smartass ("I'll wear it under the Phils jacket-- what's the problem? No, I haven't eaten shit today-- why do you ask?"). ="batmagadanleadoff"]Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Done and done. (Had been thinking of the Utley quote.) metirish Apr 02 2009 12:40 PM How do we explain this to the Iraqis ? Number 6 Apr 02 2009 09:08 PM To me, there are two things we're talking about here. One is the right of this guy's employer, or the Mets, to dictate what he can and can't wear, and the phan's responsibility to comply. I think CF covered this well; they have a right to tell the guy to take his jacket off. He disagreed, and maybe lost some of the high ground with the passive-aggressive "under the jacket" dickishness, but ultimately he took a stand, no matter how dubious it was, and accepted the consequences. Fine. To me, the more important point is less the right of his employer/the Mets to dictate his dress, but whether they should exercise that right. Let's assume, for the moment, that the order did come from the Mets and not St. John's, and that the phan was as otherwise respectful as he makes himself out to be. Is there anyone who believes that, while retaining the right to do so, the Mets should tell him to take the jacket off? Are Met fans really so childish that a Phillies jacket is an unbearable affront? Would we be OK with the Mets thinking we are? Personally, it really chafes me when I see people wearing Yankees, Braves or Phillies gear to games when that team isn't in the park. And while I don't think it's appropriate for the Mets or anyone else to restrict their right to wear that gear, I am very comfortable with my personal right to judge them. This kid's a dick, but let him broadcast that fact in peace. Nymr83 Apr 03 2009 06:16 AM No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 06:52 AM ="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field. Ashie62 Apr 03 2009 09:45 AM Elaine..You cannot wear the Oriloles hat in mr. Steinbrenner's box!

It cuts both ways. Would anyone here like it if they were ejected from Citizens Bank Park for wearing a Met cap but otherwise behaving like the perfect model citizen bank?

="Edgy DC"]But --- and this comes from his account which you certainly don't have to take a face value --- does St. John's have the right to arbitrarily "institute dress codes" after the fact when they've seen what colors he's sporting? I would guess "yes". St. John's has so much leeway here, they could do almost anything. They could, for example, justify their actions on grounds that the Phillie jacket might've attracted enough attention from Met fans so as to prevent the student from being able to properly perform his duties. This would be the function over form rationale. But I think that whether or not the kid was an asshole is irrelevant here. He has the right to be an asshole so long as he doesn't interfere with anybody else's ability to enjoy the game.