Edgy MD wrote: But then there's the (a) historical deposit of the legacy of the lost team, and ( the honor of Mrs. Payson's promise. That's my point. If someone's gonna constantly make exceptions to the rule, then there really is no rule. Which, of course, there isn't. Once again: Where do these supposed rules come from? The problem that Mets fans have is that the franchise doesn't have many of these inner circle no doubt about it Hall of Famers who played exclusively or practically exclusively for the Mets. The Mets don't have a stable of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Berra, Mantle, Ford, Dickey, et. al. So they have to make do with what they have. Or wait one or two lifetimes for the Babe Ruth of the Mets to arrive. If they're even playing baseball two lifetimes from now. Me, I doubt it, but that's for another thread. And besides, the Yankees also retired the numbers of players like Ron Guidry, Don Mattingly and Reggie Jackson, whose Yankee careers are more in line with the Mets careers of Hernandez, Strawberry and Gooden. In fact, the Mets only have one of these guys - Tom Seaver - and even Seaver spent about 40% of his career with teams other than the Mets. Piazza and Hernandez, without doubt, have had careers worthy of having their numbers retired. But Piazza split his career about evenly between the Mets and other teams. And Keith spent the majority of his career with the Cardinals. I'm not even mention Gary Carter, a deserving Hall of Famer --- the almost entirety of his peak star years came as an Expo. Because if Carter, then Nolan Ryan. And if Ryan, then Rickey Henderson. And Warren Spahn. This is the Mets history. The team's been around for more than 60 years and in that time, Doc and Darryl and Keith Hernandez and Jerry Koosman and Mike Piazza and David Wright are, along with Seaver, [CROSSOUT]among [/CROSSOUT]the very best Mets ever. And there's no denying that.