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I just finished looking up Moises' Mets stats. I knew he was good, but I had to re-remember just how damn good he was.Did the Mets ever have any 40 year olds better than Moises and Rickey? They were better than most 25 year old Mets.

Edgy MD wrote: Congratulations to co-leaders BML and MGiM. Here's a tiebreaker just for those two --- name the former Met who managed to finish second in RotY voting one season during this period. [fimg=555]http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111222140534/uncyclopedia/images/b/bf/Audience-clapping.gif[/fimg] [fimg=555]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SFJ3A5BB--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/17rqdvz92smd0gif.gif[/fimg] [fimg=555]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o9TTjA5f--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/17rqdl6k6wuhpgif.gif[/fimg]

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's seventh most recent ROY winner: 1986 A's Jose Canseco 1981 Dodgers Fernando Valenzuela 1958 (Twins)/Senators Albie Pearson 1956 Reds Frank Robinson 1954 Yankees Bob Grim 1949 (Orioles)/Browns Roy Sievers 1948 Braves Alvin Dark 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners- 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners- 1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners- 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners- 1947* Red Sox -franchise has six ROY winners- 1947* Giants -franchise has six ROY winners- 1947* Cardinals -franchise has six ROY winners- 1947* White Sox -franchise has five ROY winners- 1947* Cubs -franchise has five ROY winners- 1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's sixth most recent ROY winner: 1987 A's Mark McGwire 1982 Dodgers Steve Sax 1963 Reds Pete Rose 1960 Orioles Ron Hansen 1959 (Twins)/Senators Bob Allison 1958 Cubs Harry Ackerman 1958 White Sox Claudio Guzman 1957 Yankees Tony Kubek 1954 Cardinals Wally Moon 1951 Giants Willie Mays 1950 Red Sox Walt Dropo 1950 Braves Sam Jethroe 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners- 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners- 1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners- 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners- 1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's fifth most recent ROY winner: 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners- 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1992 Dodgers Eric Karros 1988 A's Walt Weiss 1971 Braves Earl Williams 1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners- 1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1966 Reds Tommy Helms 1965 Orioles Curt Blefary 1964 Twins Tony Oliva 1962 Yankees Tom Tresh 1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners- 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Red Sox Don Schwall 1961 Cubs Billy Williams 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners- 1958 Giants Orlando Cepeda 1956 White Sox Luis Aparicio 1955 Cardinals Bill Virdon 1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

deGrom's a real timetable changer, ain't he? __________________________________________ The 30: deGreat Debate Have the Mets, Nats, Royals, and Twins positioned themselves for success following relatively quiet trade deadline showings? by Jonah Keri on August 4, 2014 excerpt: Baseball�s non-waiver trade deadline has passed, and the winners and losers have been toasted and chided. Much to the Phillies� chagrin, however, not every team that stood pat joined Ruben Amaro�s squad in earning the �loser� label. Today, I�ll look at four teams that avoided our ridicule despite failing to make major moves, and assess how well positioned they are � either for the stretch run or the future. So pop your head in: [***] 2015�s the Charm? These teams will likely fall short in 2014, but look dangerous for next season. 21. Chicago White Sox (54-58, -25, LW: 21) 20. New York Mets (53-58, +3, LW: 20) 19. Miami Marlins (54-57, -26, LW: 19) 18. Cleveland Indians (56-55, +17, LW: 18) 17. Tampa Bay Rays (54-57, -1, LW: 15) 16. Cincinnati Reds (56-55, +17, LW: 17) Here�s a fun futures bet for you: Which Mets starter will lead the majors in ERA in 2015? Consider where the team�s rotation stands at the moment, and how it�s shaping up for next season, and that�s not as crazy as it might seem. Matt Harvey, the linchpin of next year�s rotation, threw off a mound on Friday for the first time since Tommy John surgery and appears to be on track to go through a normal winter and spring regimen. Before injuring his elbow last season, Harvey posted a 2.27 ERA and totaled more strikeouts (191) than baserunners allowed (170), so if he�s back to 100 percent by Opening Day 2015, he�ll be one of the best pitchers in the league. Maybe someday, someone might even recognize him. Zack Wheeler, meanwhile, is constantly enhancing Mets fans� appreciation for the 2011 trade that sent two months of Carlos Beltran to the Giants for the young hurler. Another power right-hander, Wheeler has improved across the board this season after showing occasional flashes of brilliance last year. He�s boosted his strikeout rate (to about one per inning), trimmed his walk rate (by about half a walk per nine innings), and hiked his ground ball rate (to 52.7 percent, ninth among qualified NL starters). He�s still got work to do, as he�s carrying the sixth-highest NL walk rate despite his year-over-year improvement, and has generally struggled with his command at times. Still, his fastball-slider combination has been devastating against right-handed hitters from day one, as they�ve hit just .217/.287/.327 against Wheeler during his brief MLB career. He�s an improved changeup away from rising into the NL�s top pitching tier. Jon Niese has struggled with injuries, making only 44 starts since Opening Day 2013. However, the 27-year-old lefty has been a steady performer when healthy, doing a particularly good job of limiting extra-base hits, with just 19 homers allowed in 265.1 innings during that span. That�s helped suppress his ERA � which sits at a tidy 3.24 this year � despite mediocre strikeout rates. Niese is signed cheaply through 2016, with club options that could keep him in town through 2018. Noah Syndergaard has yet to throw a pitch in the big leagues, but he�s shined in the minors, punching out 436 batters in 395.2 innings during his five-year minor league career and putting up shiny surface stats prior to playing in the preposterous home environment of Las Vegas this year. He�s 6-6 and 240 pounds. He can dial his fastball into the high 90s and has a curveball that�s going to give major league hitters nightmares. And he doesn�t turn 22 until the end of this month. Baseball Prospectus and MLB.com rated him as baseball�s 11th-best prospect entering this season, and he�s widely expected to be big league�ready next spring, if not sooner. And then there�s Jacob deGrom, the biggest surprise of the bunch. The ninth-round 2010 draft pick arrived in the big leagues with a modest pedigree and even more modest numbers: a 3.62 ERA, 333 hits in 323.1 innings, and a so-so 267 strikeouts over that span (though with parts of two seasons spent in the aforementioned Vegas League). Despite not boasting the blazing fastball that Harvey, Wheeler, and Syndergaard possess, deGrom�s early MLB returns have been terrific. Though he didn�t make his big league debut until May 15, deGrom has inserted himself into the NL Rookie of the Year discussion, fanning 90 batters and allowing just five long balls in 94.1 innings while flashing a 2.77 ERA and 2.97 FIP. Back in early June, ESPN�s Mark Simon wrote about deGrom�s pinpoint fastball control and his ability to change speeds and fool hitters with his secondary pitches. The 26-year-old righty has improved since then, and actually seems to be getting better with every start. In his last eight starts, he�s posted a 1.52 ERA and has limited opposing hitters to a .212/.269/.249 line, and on Saturday he was perfect through six before losing his no-hit bid with two outs in the seventh. He held on for the win, becoming the first Mets rookie to win five consecutive starts since Dillon Gee did so in 2011. That Gee and veteran Bartolo Colon aren�t even worth mentioning among the projected top five for 2015 speaks volumes about the Mets possessing something every other team longs to have: too much starting pitching. And that brings us back to trades: The Mets failed to convert any of that young pitching talent into hitting help at this year�s deadline, but some have speculated that the team could pursue a deal in the offseason, perhaps even targeting Rockies star Troy Tulowitzki. Acquiring Tulo probably isn�t going to happen, because the Mets would likely need to include peak Seaver, Strawberry, and Gooden in the deal to pull it off, but whether or not the Mets look to make a move, one thing is clear: They�ll be well armed in 2015. Bank on it: http://grantland.com/features/the-30-mlb-power-rankings-nationals-royals-mets-twins-trade-deadline/

This has been an educational thread because I'm gonna adopt some of Edgy's new rules in my next quiz and an hour ago, I had no idea what stone soup was.

You know who I'm saying got some ROY votes. You know what I'm saying?

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's fourth most recent ROY winner: 2003 Marlins Dontrelle Willis 1998 A's Ben Grieve 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'Backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Dodgers Mike Piazza 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1978 Braves Bob Horner 1977 Mariners -franchise has three ROY winners- 1977 Blue Jays -franchise has two ROY winners- 1974 Cardinals Bake McBride 1973 Orioles Al Bumbry 1972 Red Sox Carlton Fisk 1969 Royals Lou Piniella 1969 (Pilots)/Brewers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 (Expos)/Nationals -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1968 Yankees Stan Bahnsen 1968 Reds Johnny Bench 1967 Twins Rod Carew 1967 Mets Tom Seaver 1963 White Sox Gary Peters 1962 Cubs Ken Hubbs 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 (Senators)/Rangers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1957 Phillies Jack Sanford 1955 Indians Herb Score 1953 Tigers Harvey Kuenn 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

Because too much of a good thing is even better, here's a list of every team's next to next to last ROY winner:... ...1972 Mets Jon Matlack Darryl Strawberry ain't stone soup.

Because too much of a good thing is even better, here's a list of every team's next to next to last ROY winner: 2008 Rays Evan Longoria 2006 Marlins Hanley Ramirez 2004 A's Bobby Crosby 1998 D'Backs -franchise has no ROY winners 1994 Royals Bob Hamelin 1994 Dodgers Raul Mondesi 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1990 Braves Dave Justice 1989 Cubs Jerome Walton 1985 Cardinals Vince Coleman 1984 Mariners Alvin Davis 1979 Twins John Castino 1977 Orioles Eddie Murray 1977 Blue Jays -franchise has two ROY winners- 1976 Tigers Mark Fidrych 1976 Reds Pat Zachry 1975 Red Sox Fred Lynn 1973 Giants Gary Matthews 1972 Mets Jon Matlack 1971 Indians Chris Chambliss 1970 Yankees Thurman Munson 1970 (Expos)/Nationals Carl Morton 1969 (Pilots)/Brewers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1966 White Sox Tommie Agee 1964 Phillies Richie Allen 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 (Senators)/Rangers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

Zvon wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Since they're not worried about deGrom's innings any more, maybe he can pitch back-to-back days.... Did the Guyz say something about the innings limit being lifted? I haven't read anything today about any changes w/deG. If so, I wonder it it's got anything to do with the number of fan$ at the game ye$terday.

Lucas Duda sits against a lefty, again August, 3, 2014 Aug 3 12:09 PM ET By Danny Knobler | Special to ESPNNewYork.com NEW YORK -- It's no longer automatic that Lucas Duda gets left out of the Mets lineup when the opposing starter is left-handed. But Duda didn't play last Tuesday against Cole Hamels, and he isn't starting Sunday against Madison Bumgarner. Two different circumstances, Mets manager Terry Collins explained Sunday morning. With Hamels, it was simply the matchup. Duda is 1 for 13 in his career against the Phillies lefty, with seven strikeouts. And with Bumgarner? "Some of these guys are just different," Collins said. "This guy throws across his body, and he's hard to pick up. If you're going to give a left-hander a day off, this is going to be the guy." So, in addition to sitting Duda, Collins gave Daniel Murphy his first day off since the All-Star break. Curtis Granderson is the only left-handed hitter in the Mets lineup against Bumgarner. Collins said he considered playing Duda instead of Granderson, but that would have required Eric Campbell to play right field, where Campbell is less comfortable than at first base. Duda had started four of the past six games against lefties before Sunday. He started only two of the first 16 games in which the Mets faced a left-hander this season. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/92504/lucas-duda-sits-against-a-lefty-again Zvon wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd let Duda play against the occasional lefty, just to at least give him a chance to maybe show he can play every day. I agree in that if Duda's ever gonna figure out how to hit lefties, he's gotta see some lefties to have a chance. That's what Collins is doing.

Zvon wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd let Duda play against the occasional lefty, just to at least give him a chance to maybe show he can play every day. I agree in that if Duda's ever gonna figure out how to hit lefties, he's gotta see some lefties to have a chance. Damn. I hat Hunter Pence. WannaBe nemesis. That's the Catch-22, ain't it?

Ashie62 wrote: Its about time to play Duda against lefties..... Why? He's batting .167/.254/.233 against lefties, with just one of his 20 HR's coming against a southpaw. Against lefties this season, his slugging percentage is lower than his on-base percentage! Career against lefties - .215/.294/.323, with eight of his 56 lifetime HR's against southpaws. Duda can't hit lefties. What would Earl Weaver do?

Gwreck wrote: Least valuable Met seasons, 21st century: At -1.1 WAR: Ruben Tejada, 2013 Jason Bay, 2012 Jay Bell, 2003 At -1.2 WAR: Willie Harris, 2011 Lucas Duda, 2012 Because WAR is a counting stat and not a rate stat, Jay Bell's Mets season easily qualifies as the worst of the five you posted. Bell roughly played about half as much as any of the other Mets you listed in their respective seasons in question, and about a third as much as Duda did in 2012. So which Met has the worst WAR/PA season ratio in franchise history?

It's been a while for the Dodgers, hasn't it? With no more Tommy LaSorda. Though the Dodgers haven't produced a ROY since 1996, Hollandsworth, their last winner, was the fifth of five straight Dodger ROY's, a major league record: 1996 Todd Hollandsworth 1995 Hideo Nomo 1994 Raul Mondesi 1993 Mike Piazza 1992 Eric Karros During Lasorda's managerial stint, the Dodgers also ran off a four straight ROY streak from 1979-1982: 1982 Steve Sax 1981 Fernando Valenzuela 1980 Steve Howe 1979 Rick Sutcliffe Dodgers also won the ROY in four of the award's first seven seasons: 1953 Jim Gilliam 1952 Joe Black 1951 1950 1949 Don Newcombe 1948 1947 Jackie Robinson Here's a list of each team's next to last ROY winner: 2011 Rays Jeremy Hellickson 2009 Marlins Chris Coghlan 2005 A's Huston Street 2000 Mariners Kazuhiro Sasaki 2000 Braves Rafael Furcal 1999 Royals Carlos Beltran 1998 Cubs Kerry Wood 1998 Dbacks -No D'back ever won the ROY 1997 Phillies Scott Rolen 1997 Red Sox Nomar Garciaparra 1995 Dodgers Hideo Nomo 1993 Angels Tim Salmon 1993 Rockies -franchise has just one ROY winner 1992 Brewers Pat Listach 1991 Twins Chuck Knoblauch 1988 Reds Chris Sabo 1986 Cardinals Todd Worrell 1983 White Sox Ron Kittle 1983 Mets Darryl Strawberry 1982 Orioles Cal Ripken, Jr. 1981 Yankees Dave Righetti 1980 Indians Joe Charboneau 1979 Blue Jays Alfredo Griffin 1978 Tigers Lou Whitaker 1977 (Nationals)/Expos Andre Dawson 1976 Padres Butch Metzger 1975 Giants John Montefusco 1974 Rangers Mike Hargrove 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has just one ROY winner 1947* Pirates -franchise has just one ROY winner * first year of award

I should probably read the new rule closely before I post this, but I'll post anyway, uninformed or not: I can't figure out what's so new about the new rule. If the catcher doesn't have the ball, he can't block the plate. Otherwise he can. So what's so new? This is how it always was. Maybe the new rule was to get the umps to enforce the old rule, which they never did anyways, as far as I can remember. In the old days, a catcher could practically rip home plate out of the dirt and fling it into his own dugout and then put a wooden fortress made out of baseball bats in front of where home plate was to block the runner from tagging the plate which wasn't there anymore anyways and the umpire would stand there and do nothing like it was the commercial break in between half innings.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The only reaason I remember Argenis Reyes is because the Phils picked him up right after we dropped him, and he proceeded to give them one hell of a season on the chea-- wait, am I thinking of Oil Spill Valdez? Ah, yes... so that's two I had forgotten about. Toppless as a Met. But, like just about every other Met from 2008 to the present, if he got into the starting lineup at home, a supersized Topps style card of him was hung at the stadium entrance.

We'll probably run this quiz again in a couple of weeks for Granderson.

This one's a real humdinger.

Here's a list of each team's last Rookie of the Year Winner: 2013 Rays Wil Myers 2013 Marlins Jose Fernandez 2012 Angels Mike Trout 2012 Nationals Bryce Harper 2011 Braves Craig Kimbrel 2010 Rangers Neftali Perez 2010 Giants Buster Posey 2009 A�s Andrew Bailey 2008 Cubs Geovany Soto 2007 Red Sox Dustin Pedroia 2007 Brewers Ryan Braun 2006 Tigers Justin Verlander 2005 Phillies Ryan Howard 2004 Pirates Jason Bay 2003 Royals Angel Berroa 2002 Blue Jays Eric Hinske 2002 Rockies Jason Jennings 2001 Mariners Ichiro Suzuki 2001 Cardinals Albert Pujols 1999 Reds Scott Williamson 1998 D�Backs -No D'Back ever won this award- 1996 Yankees Derek Jeter 1996 Dodgers Todd Hollansworth 1995 Twins Marty Cordova 1991 Astros Jeff Bagwell 1990 Indians Sandy Alomar, Jr. 1989 Orioles Gregg Olson 1987 Padres Benito Santiago 1985 White Sox Ozzie Guillen 1984 Mets Dwight Gooden

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