I agree. From MLB.com today: By now, everyone knows about the ‘third time through the order' effect in the Major Leagues, the one that's helped shorten starting pitcher outings because the numbers so clearly show that a pitcher is less effective the third time he faces a batter. While it's a recent discussion, it's not a recent effect – even Bob Gibson, for example, was 27 points of OPS worse the second time through than he was the first time, and then 48 points worse the third time than the second time. Yes, his performance was 48 pts of OPS worse his third time through the lineup, but it I think it was still better than the people who may have relieved him. And I would have loved to have seen what would have happened when the manager came out to relieve him after twice through the order when he was still shutting people down. https://www.mlb.com/news/minor-league-statcast-data-compared-to-mlb?partnerId=it-20240319-9330788-mlb-1-A&utm_id=it-20240319-9330788-mlb-1-A&lctg=32496098https://www.mlb.com/news/minor-league-statcast-data-compared-to-mlb?partnerId=it-20240319-9330788-mlb-1-A&utm_id=it-20240319-9330788-mlb-1-A&lctg=32496098 Later