Lefty Specialist wrote: And this is kind of a pattern, it's not just today. They don't go long enough with starters and too long with relievers, the first problem contributing to the second. How many times this year have we seen them pull someone who seemed to be dealing, an inning early, forcing an extra 3 outs on the bullpen? You can only get away with that for so long. 'They' and 'them' probably more key than some want to acknowledge after a disappointing loss and calling for the managers head. There's no way Luis, and probably most managers these days, have full autonomy on what to do. Progress, only when it works though...