Fred! Still at it.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Mr. Met can talk with his fingers.

[Frayed Knot]

But with only four fingers on each hand he has a more limited vocabulary.

[batmagadanleadoff]

He only needs his middle finger and he's got two of those on each hand what with Mr. Met having an even number of fingers on each hand.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I miss HVAC Guy at Shea... he knew shit and shared.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Carig says Alderson, Jeff and Fred all refused to comment so that leaves:

Senior Vice President, Baseball Operations & Assistant General Manager: John Ricco
Special Assistant to the General Manager: JP Ricciardi
Director, Baseball Research & Development: TJ Barra
Director, Player Relations & Community Engagement: Donovan Mitchell
Director, Team Travel: Brian Small
Manager, Baseball Administration: June Napoli
Manager, Video Operations: Joe Scarola
Senior Coordinator, Baseball Systems: Joe Lefkowitz
Coordinator, Video Operations: Sean Haggans
Coordinator, Advance Scouting & Video Replay: Jim Kelly
Coordinator, Baseball Operations: Jeff Lebow
Analyst, Baseball Research & Development: Chris Pang
Administrative Assistant, Baseball Operations: Janine Laboy-Gonzalez

Now, Chris Pang can dish with the best of them but I'll bet the leakers names begin with the same 4 letters.

[Edgy MD]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Other than Casey, it ended bad for every Mets manager that ever was. I'd bet it woulda happened to Gil, too, if he didn't die before the end of his tenure.

I'd say breaking your hip in a bar isn't exactly ending good either.

41Forever wrote: If journalists allow people to speak without using their name, they will find someone, somewhere to say what they are looking for. It seems to me that if you are going to damage someone's reputation, as this story does, you need to have someone stand up and be on the record.

Well, the other option is independent corroboration.

Obviously, there are stories that are true but would never get published if the sources had to be named (Watergate!). Un-named sources have a long and important history in journalism, and there are both irresponsible and responsible ways to use them.

[Guest 41Forever]

Edgy MD wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Other than Casey, it ended bad for every Mets manager that ever was. I'd bet it woulda happened to Gil, too, if he didn't die before the end of his tenure. I'd say breaking your hip in a bar isn't exactly ending good either. 41Forever wrote: If journalists allow people to speak without using their name, they will find someone, somewhere to say what they are looking for. It seems to me that if you are going to damage someone's reputation, as this story does, you need to have someone stand up and be on the record. Well, the other option is independent corroboration. Obviously, there are stories that are true but would never get published if the sources had to be named (Watergate!). Un-named sources have a long and important history in journalism, and there are both irresponsible and responsible ways to use them.

Correct. Unnamed sources should be used as an absolute last resort, and sparingly. I can probably count the number of times I used them on one hand. But they are used waaaaaaaay to often in sports stories, it seems, which makes it far too easy to take shots at people.

[Frayed Knot]

More from the player perspective than from a journalistic one, Dabid sez to stop with the anonymous Terry bashing.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I feel like David Wright once again is falling back on providing a journalist with the answer he thinks he wants them to hear.

The anon player quotes really don;t rip Collins but sort of back up the front office assertions that Terry was hard to talk to. It's not like the players called Carig to complain.

“He has always been difficult to communicate with,” one Met said. “It would be a surprise if he said ‘hey’ to you when you passed each other in the hallway if your name wasn’t [Matt] Harvey or [Yoenis] Cespedes. It’s always been those couple things along with some of the in-game decisions he makes.”

The other player said:

“He did what he could with what he had, but I believe that it turned out that the inmates ran the asylum a bit,” the player said. “He had three or four personalities in there that he essentially had no control over for a multitude of reasons, ranging from the front office allowing it, to guys just not respecting authority at all.”

That's not a rip on Terry at all, but his teammates if anything but again seems to more be a clarification of things that a list of greivances.

[Edgy MD]

It's funny, because earlier in his tenure, the regular story on Terry was how focused on communication he was, frequently stopping by a guy's locker to make sure the lines were open, specifically catering to the guy going through rough spots, and being overtly conscious in choosing this behavior, because failing to communicate is what allegedly doomed him at previous spots.

I wouldn't be shocked if, in a spiraling season, with high turnover, high frustration, and an aging mind and body, maintaining all those lines of communication, and control of the clubhouse narrative, became more than he could bear. I also wouldn't be surprised if one of those personalities he had no control over was Céspedes, and another was Harvey. Guys making their own rules may be mostly harmless, but then order breaks down in the fringes, because the guys you rarely have contact with take their cues from the 500-pound gorillas. It's why football coaches are such martinets. They have 60 or so guys in that clubhouse that they can't personally police.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yes. And not 4 nothing but the field of "one Mets" who would use the word "multitude" in a sentence isn't that big, unless Carig reached out to departed guys like Walker, Bruce or Reed.

I wanna say it's Blevins but I think Terry likes him too much not to say hello to him in the runway.

It's Tommy Milone!

[G-Fafif]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yes. And not 4 nothing but the field of "one Mets" who would use the word "multitude" in a sentence isn't that big, unless Carig reached out to departed guys like Walker, Bruce or Reed. I wanna say it's Blevins but I think Terry likes him too much not to say hello to him in the runway. It's Tommy Milone!

Milone again, naturally.

[Edgy MD]

Come on. You spot Tommy Milone in a runway, tell me you know who it is?



Terry to self: "Hey,who's that guy? Nelson Figueroa? Ed Leyro? Wait a minute ... he's got a full kit on. Maybe he's my starting pitcher today. Better just nod and keep walking like you're in charge."

[ashie62]

Test Fred for dementia.

[Frayed Knot]

Sandy: 'Were I to find out who that person [the front office leaker] is, that person would be terminated immediately'

[MFS62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yes. And not 4 nothing but the field of "one Mets" who would use the word "multitude" in a sentence isn't that big, unless Carig reached out to departed guys like Walker, Bruce or Reed.

If he reached out for that quote, my money would be on Granderson using that word.

Later

[Edgy MD]

You want insinuations? I'll give you insinuations.

Note that Newsday gets that story out while the Mets are playing — and Marc Carig has access to — R.A. Dickey's team.

There's a guy with a vocab'lary.