MFYs in 2015: The Eroding Continues?

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bmfc1 wrote: So much for the MFYs retiring the numbers of all-time greats: http://nypost.com/2015/02/15/andy-pettitte-will-have-no-46-retired-join-monument-park-in-august/

"Pride. Tradition. Steroids."

[HahnSolo]

Chuck Knoblauch takes aim at the Bronx. I know, glass houses, stones... But I laughed.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I get what you mean about the slippery slope up there in The Bronx over retiring uniform numbers, but Pettitte's probably not the poster boy for any of that. He'll deservedly get Hall of Fame votes and if his Yankee career was instead, as a Met, he'd be the franchise's second best pitcher all-time (career, not peak). Pettitte isn't the poster boy for the slippery slope, Guidry was. Once they retired his number they took any prospect of even having a debate about Pettitte totally off the table.

I'd say Roger Maris and Billy Martin muddied that slope more than Guidry ever did.

[Edgy MD]

HahnSolo wrote: https://twitter.com/chuckknoblauch/status/567154579192565760 Chuck Knoblauch takes aim at the Bronx. I know, glass houses, stones... But I laughed.

It's a living-under-a-cloud-of-spousal-assault-charges house. Those charges may or or may not hold up, but man, I'd lay off throwing my teammates under buses for a while.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I get what you mean about the slippery slope up there in The Bronx over retiring uniform numbers, but Pettitte's probably not the poster boy for any of that. He'll deservedly get Hall of Fame votes and if his Yankee career was instead, as a Met, he'd be the franchise's second best pitcher all-time (career, not peak). Pettitte isn't the poster boy for the slippery slope, Guidry was. Once they retired his number they took any prospect of even having a debate about Pettitte totally off the table. I'd say Roger Maris and Billy Martin muddied that slope more than Guidry ever did.

Yes, I was going to mention them both as further examples but wanted to stick with a pitcher-to-pitcher comparison. Petite had the overall better MFY career so they put themselves in a situation where they can't NOT retire him now on account of 'Gator'.

[stevejrogers]

Edgy MD wrote: HahnSolo wrote: https://twitter.com/chuckknoblauch/status/567154579192565760 Chuck Knoblauch takes aim at the Bronx. I know, glass houses, stones... But I laughed. It's a living-under-a-cloud-of-spousal-assault-charges house. Those charges may or or may not hold up, but man, I'd lay off throwing my teammates under buses for a while.

Especially after he got his Twinkie HOF induction put on hold because of it.

[Edgy MD]

I'd say the charges in court are ultimately more meaningful than the Twins Hall of Fame induction.

[Edgy MD]

I've got a new theory on jersey retirement. Rather than sweat whether Carter's 8 or Hernandez's 17 gets retired for their excellence and or character, why not press for the unceremonious retirement of Ambiorix Burgos' 48, so no player again be linked to his ignominy, and his legacy never again hinted at by the appearance of a Mets uniform.

[Edgy MD]

Edgy MD wrote: I've got a new theory on jersey retirement. Rather than sweat whether Carter's 8 or Hernandez's 17 gets retired for their excellence and or character, why not press for the unceremonious retirement of Ambiorix Burgos' 48, so no player again be linked to his ignominy, and his legacy never again hinted at by the appearance of a Mets uniform.

And the gods hear my cry.