G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 The Mets lineup on Labor Day 2013 totaled 73 major league home runs in its collective career.Young 7Murphy 36Satin 2Brown 10Lagares 4Turner 6Flores 1Recker 7Matsuzaka 0Have no idea where this stands in Met acoustic annals, but it has to be down there. Taking a stab at precedent, I went to everybody's favorite power-free year, 1980, and the same date, which included two kids fresh off the farm (HR totals to date, entering 9/2/1980).Wilson 0Taveras 2Mazzilli 53Washington 56Henderson 34Maddox 18Trevi�o 0Backman 0Pacella 0Even spotting them two callups, the least powerful Met of all time in terms of most ABs with the club producing 0 HR and the pitcher...163 HR in that lineup, or 90 more than yesterday.Two nights later, Brooks, also new, was in for Maddox, so subtract Elliott's 18. Youngblood, with 29, replaced Washington, for a net loss of of 27. Mike Scott pitched and was no more powerful a hitter than John Pacella. And you still have 118.Could the Mets have fielded a lineup with less power than yesterday?
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 I figured if you (a) take a punchless year (1979), ( follow a punchless player who played an otherwise high-power position (Gil Flores in right), and © look to September, where guys at the dawn of their careers might stumble into the starting lineup, you could easily top that number. I settled on 9/3/1979, taking on the Expos in Montreal.1. Gil Flores RF 22. Frank Taveras SS 23. Lee Mazzilli CF 374. John Stearns 1B 415. Joel Youngblood LF 236. Elliott Maddox 3B 137. Alex Trevino C 08. Doug Flynn 2B 59. Ray Burris P 1124. Not even close.What I did learn is that Flores had one of the subbiest seasons you'll ever see in a subby career. Seventy games, but only 10 starts.
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 9/1/67 is close, but no cigar.HarrelsonJonesJohnsonKranepoolSwobodaStahlBuchekSullivan Fisher
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 9/29/67 might do the trick. I'll do the math.
Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket Guests Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 I went for a Piazza-less game 10 years ago today! Sept. 2003Roger Cedeno 36Danny Garcia 0Timo Perez 17Jason Phillips 12Ty Wigginton 16Raul Gonzalez 5Vance Wilson 13Jorge Velandia 0Steve Trachsel 2101 total, plus the one Timo would hit this day!A few weeks later you have the same cast except Seo & Prentice Redman where Trax and Timo are. That's about 85.
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted September 3, 2013 Author Posted September 3, 2013 Found one, from just over 50 years ago, 8/31/1963:Christopher 8Kanehl 5Hunt 8Gonder 7Hickman 26Harkness 9Carmel 3Moran 0Willey 2That's 68 home runs entering that Saturday's showdown versus the Milwaukee Braves at the Polo Grounds. Al Moran chose this game to blast his only Met home run to up the lineup's total directly after the fact to 69. The Mets lost anyway, 4-3.Before that, lineups always included somebody like Gil Hodges, Frank Thomas, Duke Snider (who Casey used to PH vs. Spahn), Charlie Neal, Jimmy Piersall...not much future but a powerful past.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 Yeah, I looked at 2003 also, focusing on Duncan minus Piazza, and the first I found was 9/14:1. Cedeno, rf, 362. Garcia, 2b, 23. Perez, lf, 184. Phillips, 1b, 125. Wigginton, 3b, 166. Wilson, c, 137. Velandia, ss, 08. Duncan, cf, 09. Glavine, p, 1That's 98. Perhaps a similar lineup could be found from earlier in the season when Piazza is hurt but Phillis and Wiggy haven't hit too many yet, but then Alomar or Vaughn might be there. Or Burnitz or Floyd. Can't have that.How about... August 10?1. Roger Cedeno, RF, 352. Jose Reyes, SS, 13. Jason Phillips, 1B, 84.Ty Wigginton, 3B, 13 (would hit his 14th that day)5. Raul Gonzalez, CF, 5 (and done --- would never hit anothe)6. Joe McEwing, LF, 237. Marco Scutaro, 2B, 28. Vance Wilson, C, 139. Al Leiter, P, 0That's 100, without even help from Duncan. Who'da guessed that Cedeno would be such a powerhouse and ruin this shit for everybody involved?
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted September 3, 2013 Author Posted September 3, 2013 50 Years Ago yesterday: 9/2/1963, second game of Labor Day doubleheader @ PG, Reds 1 Mets 0Hickman 27Carmel 4Hunt 8Harkness 11Hicks 11Coleman 8Schreiber 0Moran 1Hook 070: Better than 9/2/2013, not quite down to 8/31/1963's standards.
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted September 3, 2013 Author Posted September 3, 2013 50 Years Ago Thursday, 9/5/1963, STL 9 NYM 0 @ oldest Busch StadiumE. Kranepool 2T. Harkness 12R. Hunt 8J. Hickman 27P. Green 12D. Smith 0Cannizzaro 0A. Moran 1G. Powell 0TOTAL: 62A new low!
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted September 3, 2013 Author Posted September 3, 2013 But it gets worse.September 7, 1963, Reds 4 Mets 2 @ Crosley Field.Kranepool 2Hunt 8Green 12Harkness 12Carmel 4Hicks 11Coleman 8Moran 1Stallard 0That's 58. A major league lineup coming into a game with 58 home runs.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 Pumpsie Green and his .409 OBP batting third!Pumpsie is the poor man's 1963 version of Richie Ashburn to me. If anybody had been paying attention to OBP, he'd've never disappeared.
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted September 4, 2013 Author Posted September 4, 2013 From this exercise, this essay.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 The key to plunging beneath 60 seemed to be playing Hicks instead of Hickman.I'm thinking Casey may have been meaning to write Hickman's name into the lineup, but grew disengaged halfway through the name and trailed off.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Cool, you just got a traffic bump from Rubin:http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/77217/morning-briefing-a-day-of-rest-in-cleveland
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted September 5, 2013 Author Posted September 5, 2013 Edgy MD wrote:The key to plunging beneath 60 seemed to be playing Hicks instead of Hickman.I'm thinking Casey may have been meaning to write Hickman's name into the lineup, but grew disengaged halfway through the name and trailed off.Would also explain Edna Stengel's dismay about her mail being forwarded to Hicksville.
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