IGT - 9/9/11 baby bears @ Mets

[Ceetar]

so random attacks on me aside

fun game tonight. place was mostly dead, and mostly empty.

both the triple safe call at third, and the subsequent out at the plate seemed like blown calls. truth?

How about Turner's single that went over the fence? Ventura in the building tonight..

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Not that he was likely to have gotten him in this case, but Pagan's next good throw from the OF will be his first. Just tonight he's had two throws and both of them have been awful. Yes but if his bad throws were good, he'd be great. /Ceetar bite me. Pagan has a much longer history of above average defense than what he's shown for most of this year. But sure, he sucks. Let's just play Pridie because even though he sucks, he'll make less money next year.

Hey sorry, I was just joshing ya. Pagan's dumb plays are mysteries to me too.

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: How about Turner's single that went over the fence?

It was a double.

[Ceetar]

no harm. It just disturbs me when I check back in a thread and find myself being criticized.

What was the first throw? I think I missed that one. I saw him double clutch and throw offline for the tying run, but in truth he didn't really have a shot and I feel like most CFers throw well up the line more than half the time too. Nice play by Thole coming out and keeping it from going to the backstop though.

[Gwreck]

Fun ending but a sloppy game.

If I were the Cubs' manager, I would've pulled Soriano for loafing after that pop fly double that Jose had early in the game.
If I were the Mets' manager, I would've pinch-hit for Pelfrey in the 6th.

I like that they do a live in-stadium interview after walk-off hits, even if it's totally obvious to everyone that the whipped-cream pie-in-the-face is coming.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: How about Turner's single that went over the fence? It was a double.

That's what I thought, but Wayne said single on the recap and I figured he was closer to the official scorer and should actually know.

Gwreck wrote: Fun ending but a sloppy game. If I were the Cubs' manager, I would've pulled Soriano for loafing after that pop fly double that Jose had early in the game. If I were the Mets' manager, I would've pinch-hit for Pelfrey in the 6th. I like that they do a live in-stadium interview after walk-off hits, even if it's totally obvious to everyone that the whipped-cream pie-in-the-face is coming.

yeah. Burkhardt even commented as such, that he knew it was coming. I was okay with Pelfrey for the 6th, but I would've lifted him after that. I wouldn't have sacrificed with Thole.

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: What was the first throw?

Throwing to second on Ramirez's hit in the top of the third.

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: That's what I thought, but Wayne said single on the recap and I figured he was closer to the official scorer and should actually know.

Wayne was wrong

[Ceetar]

Nice writeup on [u:1770ejsr]Fe Y Temor en Flushing[/u:1770ejsr] in the latest edition of Mets Magazine though. Comes with an English translation as well.

[Ceetar]

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[G-Fafif]

Ceetar wrote: Nice writeup on Fe Y Temor en Flushing in the latest edition of Mets Magazine though. Comes with an English translation as well.

�Con Fanaticos Optimista de los Mets -- muy bien!

Paginas 153, 154 de edicion 5

[Frayed Knot]

Even when Pagan's fielding was top-notch in 2010 I still remember his throwing as, at best, nothing special, and, at worst, sub-par.
This year it's been just plain awful which I think is even more obvious as his overall defense takes a nose-dive.

both the triple safe call at third, and the subsequent out at the plate seemed like blown calls. truth?

Yup. The wrong-ness of the one at home was less-clear, but probably still wrong.

[Frayed Knot]

How about Turner's single that went over the fence? Ventura in the building tonight..

Since the grounds-rule double is automatic, as long as Turner actually reaches 2B (and he did) it counts as a double. Robin's problem is that he never even got that far because - like that guy in Tiananmen Square - he had a tank in front of him.

There was actually a pre-1920 rule which only gave the batter credit for the hit that was "needed" in walk-off situations (not that they called them walk-offs back then ... not sure what phrase was in vogue with the ESPN geeks at the time). Ruth lost a HR off his total when he blasted one over the fence in a tie game with a runner on 1st and was only credited with a triple. A big debate arose at the time this was discovered as to whether to augment his total to 715 (this was during the time when Aaron was approaching the record) but the ultimate ruling was to stick to the scoring rules as they existed at the time.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: How about Turner's single that went over the fence? Ventura in the building tonight.. Since the grounds-rule double is automatic, as long as Turner actually reaches 2B (and he did) it counts as a double. Robin's problem is that he never even got that far because - like that guy in Tiananmen Square - he had a tank in front of him. There was actually a pre-1920 rule which only gave the batter credit for the hit that was "needed" in walk-off situations (not that they called them walk-offs back then ... not sure what phrase was in vogue with the ESPN geeks at the time). Ruth lost a HR off his total when he blasted one over the fence in a tie game with a runner on 1st and was only credited with a triple. A big debate arose at the time this was discovered as to whether to augment his total to 715 (this was during the time when Aaron was approaching the record) but the ultimate ruling was to stick to the scoring rules as they existed at the time.

Ruth lost other homers too, since balls that hooked foul AFTER clearing the fence were ruled foul. it's pretty hard to retroactively alter stuff like that.

I'll chalk this one up to Wayne being Wayne then.