IGT - 8/24 Mets @ Phils, 1:05

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: Gameday says Duda was hit by a pitch immediately following Wright's homer. For those who are actually watching -- anything we should know, or just a pitch that got away?

Howie/Wayne didn't mention it. Kendrick's been a bit wild too. Possible though.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Wayne Hagin didn't make much of it, then again what he sees and says are rarely connected.

poor Wayne , he was probably fawning over Victorino.

[Ceetar]

Wayne noting Evans has hit for the cycle in his last four AB (he must be reading my Twitter)

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Gwreck wrote: Gameday says Duda was hit by a pitch immediately following Wright's homer. For those who are actually watching -- anything we should know, or just a pitch that got away?

Not much there. Pitch was just in, off the plate.

Meanwhile, Michael Schwimmer walks The One With The $66 Million Dollar Albatross and gives up a double in the RCF gap to The One Who Was Invisible To Jerry Manuel.

The gapper? It was hit... on a break.

[Frayed Knot]

At the rate this game is going it'll probably run into tomorrow's off-day.

The stupid thing about this one from the Pelfrey viewpoint is that he's in constant trouble without getting hit all that hard. I think every Philly hit has been a single* and most of those have been nothing more than grounders that found a hole (some hard, others not so much) which just as easily could have been outs or even DPs.
But it's the walks, the 3-2 counts, the bushel of fouls, his inability to put hitters to bed, and the S-L-O-W pace he's working at that's killing him.



* Utley had a double which Pagan caught then dropped

[bmfc1]

Ceetar wrote: Wayne noting Evans has hit for the cycle in his last four AB (he must be reading my Twitter)

Ceetar is #1!
http://twitsetters.com/

[Ceetar]

bmfc1 wrote: Wayne noting Evans has hit for the cycle in his last four AB (he must be reading my Twitter) Ceetar is #1! http://twitsetters.com/

yeah, I saw that. Not sure why exactly I get credit with setting that trend.

[bmfc1]

AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Unless 1,000 #Phillies fans on Twitter conspiring to make something up, Gary Matthews Sr. on home telecast called #Mets "bunch of crybabies"

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Probably referring to Pelfrey's bitching about Polanco last inning (which WAS a little pointless).

That said, he calls games for a team that bitched about Jose Reyes clapping, so...

On the other hand, maybe we should listen to the guy about "what it takes to win," what with all those rings he's got.

[TransMonk]

Pagan sucks.

IMO, CF is a major area of future concern.

[metirish]

TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern.

Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team.

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team.

Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team. Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good.

If Duda were faster and darker and a righty and threw harder, he'd be Roberto Clemente.

[bmfc1]

For the 2d time in the game, Bay can't get a runner in from 3d with less than 2 outs.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team. Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good. If Duda were faster and darker and a righty and threw harder, he'd be Roberto Clemente.

I think Pagan not overthrowing every ball he fields is more likely than that one.

[Frayed Knot]

Another half-inning that wouldn't have beens scoreless if Jason Bay were still alive.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: metirish wrote: TransMonk wrote: Pagan sucks. IMO, CF is a major area of future concern. Agree, not even convinced he's an everyday player on a good team. Not if he's going to make plays like that. but if he plays a non-insane CF and he's very good. If Duda were faster and darker and a righty and threw harder, he'd be Roberto Clemente. I think Pagan not overthrowing every ball he fields is more likely than that one.

It's a LITTLE more than the throws. It's the baserunning, it's the batting approach, it's the routes to the ball... over the better part of this year, he appears to have regressed to what his detractors said about him prior to last year.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

How has Jason Pridie and his .225 stick remained the team for almost the entire season? Is he strictly a defensive replacement, or is the Herd that thin on potential outfielders? Am I missing something?

[TransMonk]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's a LITTLE more than the throws. It's the baserunning, it's the batting approach, it's the routes to the ball... over the better part of this year, he appears to have regressed to what his detractors said about him prior to last year.

This.

If Pagan is going to bat .260 with limited power, then he needs to have outstanding defensive and baserunning skills, which he doesn't.

[Frayed Knot]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: How has Jason Pridie and his .225 stick remained the team for almost the entire season?

He's remained upright.

Edited August 24, 2011 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

Turner starts what was probably (hopefully) the game-winning GiDP - bailing out Duda's ass.
Or, to put it another way, if that ball gets through I think the odds of the Mets winning this game sink below 50/50

[Frayed Knot]

Oh good Bobby, let's start our first official save opp with a four pitch walk.
It's not like Howard & Pence are due up or anything ... oh wait.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Nice recovery, so far.

I'd be okay if he put one in Mayberry's ear-- tying run be damned-- just for the hell of it.

[Frayed Knot]

Walking Mayberry there and letting him hit a HR is essentially the same thing.




but he gets Ruiz on the first pitch as I'm typing and our (sort of) long (not really) national nightmare is over.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Bobby Pee puts it in the books.

[TransMonk]

Ceetar wrote: You're overlooking that Pagan's poor start was mainly bad luck and that he's almost got his numbers back up to career norms anyway. He played a fine outfield last year, so it's not like it's beyond him. So really it's about some of the insane defensive moves he's made and how likely he is to at least significantly cut back on them.

I'm not overlooking anything. How can you tell the difference between bad luck and poor preparation and execution? I'm looking at the whole of his Mets career as well as the whole of this season. He played well in 2010, not so well in 2009 and this season.

If we have to start someone who hits as mundanely as he does, that stater should play exemplary defense. Additionally, any speed that he possesses is wiped out by the incorrect way he runs the bases. His mistake yesterday (breaking for home with less than two outs and nobody behind him on an infield grounder) was inexecuable for someone who makes millions of dollars a year playing a game. I play rec-league softball and I wouldn't make that mistake.

[smg58]

Evans has raised his OPS from .688 to .914 in two days. Hairston's injury might be a blessing in disguise.

Somehow, some way, somebody other than Jason Bay needs to be our starting leftfielder next year.

[ashie62]

smg58 wrote: Evans has raised his OPS from .688 to .914 in two days. Hairston's injury might be a blessing in disguise. Somehow, some way, somebody other than Jason Bay needs to be our starting leftfielder next year.

How about you?

[metirish]

smg58 wrote: Evans has raised his OPS from .688 to .914 in two days. Hairston's injury might be a blessing in disguise. Somehow, some way, somebody other than Jason Bay needs to be our starting leftfielder next year.

Bay is going to have a wonderful September and carry it over to ST, just you wait and see.