Loyalty and Deference

[Guest Edgy DC]

I just think it's only a somewhat related issue. He's certainly pitched poorly enough that it's not crazy that somebody who's pulling it off two games in three gets a looksee, or somebody who's been effective in the pen. So those guys are certainly candidates. Misch first, I think. Ramon Ortiz is on the list too.

[Benjamin Grimm]

What about Pat Misch?

After the season, I think non-tendering Francoeur is a no-brainer. (At least, I hope it is!)

Pelfrey should be made to fight for a job next spring.

Perez has to be disposed of, either by trade or release, unless he really turns it around in the next two months.

Rotation for next year: Santana, Niese, Dickey, and two open spots.

They'll have to have a chat with Beltran about a corner outfield position. Also, if there's a team willing to trade for him, the Mets should certainly listen.

Castillo, will be in the fourth year of his deal, so his contract will be considered more edible. Second base should be one of the prime spots for the Mets to look to upgrade over the winter.

I'll stick with Bay, hoping that this year was an anomaly. With his track record, he deserves that much. Also, he's not tradeable or releasable at this point, so there's little choice.

[metirish]

Would it be seen as an admission that the season is lost if you started skipping Pelfrey if if you sent him down?

[ashie62]

Edgy DC wrote: Ashie62 wrote: The top jockeys are the ones with the best horses. I don't believe this. And I know that the best horse in the world would lose embarassingly if I rode him or her in the Kentucky Derby.

Are you a top jockey?

[ashie62]

metirish wrote: Would it be seen as an admission that the season is lost if you started skipping Pelfrey if if you sent him down?

Sure

[Guest Edgy DC]

Grimm, all that is mostly sensible, but about having the guts and self-confidence to swap guys out in season.... .

And no, it's not an admission of anything except that you want a starter out there who is going to give you a better chance to win.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think it would be an admission that Pelfrey isn't getting it done, and that they want to send their best pitchers out there in an attempt to stay in the race.

Letting Pelfrey continue to get hammered is more of a towel throw, I think.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

They will have an interesting conundrum filling RF/CF next season. I'd trade Beltran's ass immediately if I could and make Pagan my CF, but that would really dare the Mets to try and sign Matt Kemp or something. Still gonna be a question of whether Fernando's ready.

PS, Kirk Noiuieeeuieoheieous promoted to Buffalo today.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I'm pretty sure Ortiz got released on Sunday or Monday (by mutual agreement). But, yeah, like Omar and the gang, I completely forgot about the Misch. Send me the Misch. Give me a rotation of four lefties and a knuckler! MAKE IT SO!

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: The top jockeys are the ones with the best horses. I don't believe this. And I know that the best horse in the world would lose embarassingly if I rode him or her in the Kentucky Derby. Are you a top jockey?

Okay, see, either I misunderstood your first point, or you're flipping it around completely now. You WERE saying something like the best horses make the best jockeys, yes? Or do you mean it the other way? Or do you mean that horses are great teachers (apart from not speaking English)?

Either way, there's some truth to it-- I think? Like I said, I'm not quite sure what you're saying-- but it's REALLY reductive.

[metirish]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think it would be an admission that Pelfrey isn't getting it done, and that they want to send their best pitchers out there in an attempt to stay in the race. Letting Pelfrey continue to get hammered is more of a towel throw, I think.

Agree, I fear that the Mets would think that it shows the fans that the jig is up and that's why I have little faith they would do that, send him down at least.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: The top jockeys are the ones with the best horses. I don't believe this. And I know that the best horse in the world would lose embarassingly if I rode him or her in the Kentucky Derby. Are you a top jockey?

No, that's my point.

If I had the best horses, I still wouldn't be a top jockey, which weakens your position that the top jockeys are the ones with the best horses.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I like how you said "him or her" to avoid insulting any female horses who might be reading this thread.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Yeah. You don't see that kind of courtesy to horses out of most horses.

And yep, Ramon Ortiz pitched a CG two-hitter Friday night for the Bisons, rested, and then, on Sunday, he stole away, into the night.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Bad choice there by the Mets, who could still pick him up again, I guess.

What can I say about the horses? I'm closet phillie fan.

[ashie62]

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy DC wrote: The top jockeys are the ones with the best horses. I don't believe this. And I know that the best horse in the world would lose embarassingly if I rode him or her in the Kentucky Derby. Are you a top jockey? No, that's my point. If I had the best horses, I still wouldn't be a top jockey, which weakens your position that the top jockeys are the ones with the best horses.

How would you even know, you are not a jockey. At least that I am aware. Neither Jockeys nor managers win with nags.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Because I'm scarcely 5'9", 200 pounds and my wife rides circles around me no matter who has the better mount.

The is a really really silly (as stated above: overly reductive) line you're taking, though I'm flattered you think I'm underestimating my potential equestrian career. Yes, managers do better with better players. No, their choices are not therefore irrelevant, and so we discuss their choices here every day.

And to the extent that I"m discussing it here and now it's to advocate that they play the horses who are running well.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Edgy DC wrote: Bad choice there by the Mets, who could still pick him up again, I guess. What can I say about the horses? I'm closet phillie fan.

Ortiz left because he had some agreement about a promotion by a set date, I'm sure the Mets didn't intentionally shoot themselves in the foot on this, there was prolly a reason they felt he wasn't ready or whatever to risk whatever changes they'd need to accommodate that request.

[ashie62]

Hoping the Mets make the Phillies pee their Red Jockeys