Loud and Clear? Mets Suddenly Hear Fans on HOF, et al

[batmagadanleadoff]

I�d rather argue facts than construct silly hypotheticals. It's clear your mind is made up no matter what, though, if you're going to play the "mother's basement" card, so I guess I should just bail.[/quote:1b4nq9wk]

Of course my mind�s made up. The JR Rotunda offends my expectations for what should be in a brand new 21st Century Mets baseball stadium. I don�t like the Rotunda and I don�t have to like the Rotunda just because you do. But likewise, there seems to be no doubt that your mind is also made up: you like that Rotunda and you�re not obligated to dislike it just because I do. So I don�t know what point you advance by stating that my mind is made up.

I�ll tell you where my made isn�t made up though, and remains open: I�m still open-minded as to the possibility that Wilpon was coerced into building the JR Rotunda. I�ve got no skin in this game and could care less if it should be determined that the JR Rotunda was created against Wilpon�s will because of government pressure. No skin off my nose. Show me the evidence and you can convince me. I�m not about to re-interpret history just to win a forum exchange.

But your case for coercion is uncompelling and rests entirely on your self-serving and unproven idea that any communiqu� emanating from a U.S. Senator�s office is bullying and threatening in nature. And this is not so. In fact, the actual release from Schumer is so polite, so understated, that it borders on the bland, if not apologetic. One can see Schumer perhaps stammering with his head down like some sad puppy dog as he personally reads aloud his suggestion that the stadium be named after JR.

The other problem with your theory of coercion is that the New Yankee Stadium was planned, funded and built simultaneously in time with Citi Field. So are we supposed to believe that the government ceded to every Yankee demand and let them build the most expensive baseball stadium in MLB history without any restrictions that would meaningfully undermine the Yankees� grand vision for their new stadium, but decided to impose its will on Wilpon in order to hamper the Mets unfettered right to name their stadium as they saw fit? This makes no political sense, not that politicians make sense all the time.

My mother's long gone' date=' and the house where we lived is no longer in the family. I've no basement in my co-op. Blogging was invented once I was past 30. But pajamas can be comfy, I'll cop to that.[/quote:1b4nq9wk']

I wan�t referring to you, or anybody else on this forum when I used the phrase �cloutless bloggers�. I�m not aware that you ever wrote a piece suggesting that Citi Field be named in honor of JR, and if you did, I never read it. Hope there was no misunderstanding.

Besides, clout has little to do with determining the readability of a particular piece. Still, I used the cloutless phrase because I think it applies here. Anyone claiming coercion ought to prove that the messenger has the ability to coerce in the first place.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I�d rather argue facts than construct silly hypotheticals. It's clear your mind is made up no matter what, though, if you're going to play the "mother's basement" card, so I guess I should just bail.[/quote:uydbnu57]

Of course my mind�s made up. The JR Rotunda offends my expectations for what should be in a brand new 21st Century Mets baseball stadium and the context in which the Rotunda exists, as the architectural centerpiece of the new stadium. I don�t like the Rotunda and I don�t have to like the Rotunda just because you do. But likewise, there seems to be no doubt that your mind is also made up: you like that Rotunda and you�re not obligated to dislike it just because I do. So I don�t know what point you advance by stating that my mind is made up.

I�ll tell you where my made isn�t made up though, and remains open: I�m still open-minded as to the possibility that Wilpon was coerced into building the JR Rotunda. I�ve got no skin in this game and could care less if it should be determined that the JR Rotunda was created against Wilpon�s will because of government pressure. No skin off my nose. Show me the evidence and you can convince me. I�m not about to re-interpret history just to win a forum exchange.

But your case for coercion is uncompelling and rests entirely on your self-serving and unproven idea that any communiqu� emanating from a U.S. Senator�s office is bullying and threatening in nature. And this is not so. In fact, the actual release from Schumer is so polite, so understated, that it borders on the bland, if not apologetic. One can see Schumer perhaps stammering with his head down like some sad puppy dog as he personally reads aloud his suggestion that the stadium be named after JR.

The other problem with your theory of coercion is that the New Yankee Stadium was planned, funded and built simultaneously in time with Citi Field. So are we supposed to believe that the government ceded to every Yankee demand and let them build the most expensive baseball stadium in MLB history without any restrictions that would meaningfully undermine the Yankees� grand vision for their new stadium, but decided to impose its will on Wilpon in order to hamper the Mets unfettered right to name their stadium as they saw fit? This makes no political sense, not that politicians make sense all the time.

My mother's long gone' date=' and the house where we lived is no longer in the family. I've no basement in my co-op. Blogging was invented once I was past 30. But pajamas can be comfy, I'll cop to that.[/quote:uydbnu57']

I wan�t referring to you, or anybody else on this forum when I used the phrase �cloutless bloggers�. I�m not aware that you ever wrote a piece suggesting that Citi Field be named in honor of JR, and if you did, I never read it. Hope there was no misunderstanding.

Besides, clout has little to do with determining the readability of a particular piece. Still, I used the cloutless phrase because I think it applies here. Anyone claiming coercion ought to prove that the messenger had the ability to coerce in the first place.[/quote:uydbnu57]

[Guest Edgy DC]

Coercion. Another expression I didn't use.

[G-Fafif]

My mother's long gone, and the house where we lived is no longer in the family. I've no basement in my co-op. Blogging was invented once I was past 30. But pajamas can be comfy, I'll cop to that.[/quote:25ei1vla]

I wan�t referring to you, or anybody else on this forum when I used the phrase �cloutless bloggers�. I�m not aware that you ever wrote a piece suggesting that Citi Field be named in honor of JR, and if you did, I never read it. Hope there was no misunderstanding.[/quote:25ei1vla]

I didn't. I would have called it Shea Field but was resigned to Highest Bidder Park and hoped it wouldn't be too embarrassing. I just hate that "mother's basement" stuff in general, from long before I blogged. It would be like tarring every accredited beat writer with being old, out of it and drunk because maybe a couple of them have been.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I just hate that "mother's basement" stuff in general, from long before I blogged. It would be like tarring every accredited beat writer with being old, out of it and drunk because maybe a couple of them have been.[/quote:3d8fwikm]

I agree with you. I wasn't a fan of Bissinger's "in the basement with pajamas" comment and thought that Buzz came off as doth protesting too much. His criticism of the blogosphere was disingenuous. If all bloggers were as inept and unreadable as Buzz implied, than what was there for Buzz to worry about? The market would figure it out and create a moat around the competition that Buzz obviously feared for his own self-serving reasons.