Lincecum repeats as NL CY

[Frayed Knot]

In a very close three-way race

----	1st	2nd	3rd	Points
Tim Lincecum - SFG	11	12	9	100
Chris Carpenter - StL	9	14	7	94
Adam Wainwright - StL	12	5	15	90
Javier Vazquez - ATL	-	1	-	3
Dan Haren - Ariz	-	-	1	1

[Gwreck]

Wonder when the last time a guy had the most first place votes but didn't win.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Or came in 3rd, even.

[metirish]

Wainwright, who led the NL with 19 wins and 233 innings, had 12 first-place votes, five seconds and 15 thirds for 90 points. Closer Trevor Hoffman, who finished behind Braves starter Tom Glavine in 1998, is the only other player to finish with the most firsts and not win the award.

Two voters, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus and Keith Law of ESPN.com, did not include Carpenter on their ballots. Carroll had Wainwright in the top spot, Lincecum second and Arizona's Dan Haren third. Law voted for Lincecum, Atlanta's Javier Vazquez and Wainwright in third. Those were the only votes in any position for Haren and Vazquez.

[Farmer Ted]

Smokin'

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

He deserved it... well, either him or Carpenter (if Wainwright hadn't siphoned off RWCTTWTBFIB* support, it would have been him, methinks). I'm a little surprised Vazquez got as little as he did, really, but if Braves fans barely care, why should we?

Wins aside-- and wins, frankly, should almost always be aside-- Timmeh had a better year than last in almost every way (lower ERA, better Fielding-Independent Pitching, more innings per start, 30 fewer baserunners, lower BAA, a better K/BB ratio... all in almost the exact same number of innings).

Two awards given out to the guys with the least wins in the race. Heh-- would've thunk?

*Reporters Who Cover The Team With The Best Fans In Baseball

[ashie62]

Used to be whoever had the most wins go it..period

[Guest Edgy DC]

Not quite so, but to the extent that it was true, it sucked.

[ashie62]

Not quite so, but to the extent that it was true, it sucked.[/quote:1caqu799]


Yeah, pretty much..Ron Bryant, Randy Jones

[Frayed Knot]

Wainwright, who led the NL with 19 wins and 233 innings, had 12 first-place votes, five seconds and 15 thirds for 90 points. Closer Trevor Hoffman, who finished behind Braves starter Tom Glavine in 1998, is the only other player to finish with the most firsts and not win the award.

Two voters, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus and Keith Law of ESPN.com, did not include Carpenter on their ballots. Carroll had Wainwright in the top spot, Lincecum second and Arizona's Dan Haren third. Law voted for Lincecum, Atlanta's Javier Vazquez and Wainwright in third. Those were the only votes in any position for Haren and Vazquez.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

So... after all that, BP's own Will Carroll pretty much goes the gut/eye-test route, eh?

(I'm starting to see what you were getting at re: his credibility, JCL.)

[metirish]

From Carrol's article

So, that left a decision between Tim Lincecum, last year's winner, and Wainwright. I called three players and one scout, asking for their opinions. One player hadn't faced Lincecum�"lucky break," he said�but he felt that Lincecum looked more hittable. "I'm still convinced that deception is a big part of what Lincecum does," another said, "and that unless there's a new wrinkle, people are starting to figure him out. He's still good, his [stuff] is still good, but comparing him to Wainwright? Wainwright was just a shutdown guy this year."

We'll find out if Lincecum will be "found out" but the comment itself seems odd to me.....hasn't deception been a part of a lot of great pitchers repertoire?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

From Carrol's article

So, that left a decision between Tim Lincecum, last year's winner, and Wainwright. I called three players and one scout, asking for their opinions. One player hadn't faced Lincecum�"lucky break," he said�but he felt that Lincecum looked more hittable. "I'm still convinced that deception is a big part of what Lincecum does," another said, "and that unless there's a new wrinkle, people are starting to figure him out. He's still good, his [stuff] is still good, but comparing him to Wainwright? Wainwright was just a shutdown guy this year."

We'll find out if Lincecum will be "found out" but the comment itself seems odd to me.....hasn't deception been a part of a lot of great pitchers repertoire?

Edited November 20, 2009 by Guest

[Theoldmole]

Lincecum's the kinda guy you wanna have.