Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker Guests Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 So, this may be poorly timed, since the latest Oliver Perez implosion might have exposed a need for a SP (Maddux? Wolf?), but until yesterday, a lot of people were talking about trading for a right-handed hitter who could play left while Alou is hurt and take some AB's away from Delgado against lefties. I took a quick look at some players who might be targets. (The slash stats are BA/OBP/SLG. Why? Like Bluto told Pinto, "Why not!?)Xavier NadyCareer: .277/.334/.4512008: .322/.384/.536Split vs LHPCareer: .324/.399/.4922008: .353/.469/.627Pros: Probably availablePlayed in NYGood hitter with fantastic platoon splitsCons:Cost will be high, as trading for him would be buying high, although if we sign Roberto Hernandez and package him with Oliver Perez...Juan RiveraCareer: .287/.336/.4652008: .167/.231/.208Split vs LHPCareer: .286/.325/.4752008: .154/.185/.192Pros: Has been a pretty good hitterBuy low candidateCons:Hasn't been a pretty good hitter since 2006Price probably won't be low enoughMay not be availableNot a platoon player, hits the same vs righties and lefties2008 stats. Ugh.Marcus ThamesCareer: .241/.305/.4912008: .247/.301/.481Split vs LHPCareer: .266/.335/.5362008: .296/.367/.889Pros: Really good hitter vs. leftiesCons:Useless vs. righties (.285 OBP!)Price was, allegedly, too high in pre-seasonDan OrtmeierCareer: .255/.309/.4122008: .219/.315/.313Split vs LHPCareer: .246/.295/.4562008: .238/.304/.357Pros: Umm... price, no- availability?Cons:Well, certainly not his name.Ok, forget that I mentioned Dan Ortmeier.Shelley DuncanCareer: .215/.295/.4232008: .161/.250/.250Split vs LHPCareer: .250/.329/.4582008: .205/.289/.333Pros: Decent platoon splitsBuy low candidateCons:Overheard in the Bronx- "Okay, Omar, I think we have a deal. I just need to run it past the owners. No, I wouldn't worry; it should just be a formality."Greg NortonCareer: .251/.337/.4242008: .246/.377/.351Split vs LHPCareer: .224/.310/.3322008: .267/.421/.333Pros: Used to be in Husker Du; no, wait a minute...League average-ish switch hitterCons:Opposite platoon splits, better hitter as a leftyDoubtful Braves and Mets would make a trade in a year they're both competitive...and that's about it. Of the guys who might be able to play both LF and 1B:Kevin Mench (6 minor league games at 1B)Career: .270/.326/.4622008: .235/.289/.265Split vs LHPCareer: .305/.359/.5532008: .286/.300/.321Pros: Good platoon splitMight not be too expensiveCons:Might not be availableNot a first basemanNot so good this yearRyan Freel (he's played everywhere else)Career: .272/.357/.3762008: .297/.341/.359Split vs LHPCareer: .261/.354/.3822008: .339/.388/.435Pros: Versatility, can play 3B, 2b, and all OF spotsGood OBP vs lefties and rightiesGood base stealerCons:Hasn't played 1BNo powerAvailability?Expense?Not any better vs lefties than rightiesGabe Kapler (2 games at 1B)Career: .271/.331/.4212008: .302/.330/.523Split vs LHPCareer: .287/.338/.4762008: .286/.295/.619Pros: Good power, especially against leftiesMinor league manager (intangibles, ho!)Cons:Availability/expenseNot so great OBPAnd after that I just see a bunch of guys who have only played either 1B or the outfield. And Lance Berkman. Yeah, I'd be in favor of the Mets getting Lance Berkman.So, with all of this in mind, I think the Mets should kick the tires on Nady, Thames, and Rivera (and maybe Kapler); but they might just be better off with internal options at first (Pascucci? Anyone? Bueller?), and crossing their fingers for Alou.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Once again, I'd love Freel. Not necessarily for any rational reason, just because he's the type of player I really enjoy, a Super Joe-type.
Theoldmole Old-Timey Member Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 If we got Xavier Nady, they could play "Welcome Back" at the stadium when he comes up.Of course, they could do that for Gabe Kapler too.
smg58 Old-Timey Member Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 The Tigers have had enough injuries (along with bad play from guys like Jacque Jones) that Thames might not be so expendable right now.The Angels actually have several excess outfielders (a lot of teams could also use Reggie Willets, who's spent much of the season to date in the minors). I'm not sure what their biggest major league need is, but they're worth talking to.We'd be buying very high on Nady right now, plus there's still a good chance his 2008 numbers will regress significantly back towards the mean. I like him, but I'd proceed with caution.I don't think the other guys on the list would be upgrades over Fernando Tatis.While I seriously doubt he has the speed to play the outfield, Ryan Garko has an OPS over .900 against lefties both this year and last. The Indians have been a bit impatient with him lately despite his rep as a streaky hitter, so it's possible that a buy-low opportunity exists there. His catching experience also intrigues me.
Guest sharpie Guests Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Remember, eventually Alou will be back and when he's back he plays. Church is also going to play as will Beltran so that means this mythical player is going to the bench.The Reds just sent Corey Patterson to the minors. If they're dumping him or Ryan Freel and he would effectively replace Angel Pagan and Tatis then I'm fine with that. If we wanted to pick up a bat to play the occasional first base and give us some punch offa the bench (Tony Clark or someone like him) I'm also ok with that -- but to list starting players who would command starting player talent back for what would be for us a bench/platoon/injury time player makes no sense.
Guest OlerudOwned Guests Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 If Greg Norton the baseball player grows a moustache like Greg Norton the H�sker, I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker Guests Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 sharpie wrote:Remember, eventually Alou will be back and when he's back he plays.I realize this, but I also realize that after he gets back, he's probably gonna get hurt again. The idea behind the trade is that the team would be able to get the hypothetical player enough PA's by playing him in LF when Alou's hurt or resting, at 1B against lefties and pinch hitting. Also, right now the team is constantly one injury away from having an average or worse lineup. Adding another decent bat would provide some insurance against that.However, I agree that the Mets would probably have to give up too much to get that player.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Part of the problem with many of the names on this list is that they're full-time players who'll command full-time return that we want to use as part-timers and fill-ins.That kind of set-up usually doesn't lead to a very good rate of return.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 If Shelley Duncan is in our future I'm quitting , it's not just who he plays for but it's that stupid dumb look on his face that annoys me just as much as anything.
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