Torre Canned ?

[Guest cooby]

Arod is probably wishing he had never left Seattle

[Guest silverdsl]

I can't stand Pinella, so I'm going to be very unhappy if he's the next manager. I highly doubt that any other manager could have gotten a different outcome. There's zero that Torre can do to get the players to hit or Jaret Wright to not suck. Torre is far from a perfect manager - he could be a lot better when it comes to the bullpen and some of his other decisions are puzzling, but no manager is perfect and he's guided the team to the post-season every year he's been manager. He can only do the best with the players that he's been given.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't think there's nothing he could have done. (He could have given a player an awesome batting tip that locked him in.) I just think what a manager typically brings to a team is nebulous, ephemeral, and hard to isolate. Therefore you credit the guys you want to credit with it, and you deny the guys you want to deny, largely based on recent results.

I don't hate Pinella, I guess, I just think he's terrifically over-sold, and based on his old guy rambling on TV, I think the game has passed him by.

But that won't matter to Steinbrenner, whom the game passed by around 1974.

[dinosaur jesus]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: ="Johnny Dickshot"]I look at this headline and see Torre Caned. Like they'd do in Singapore. I thought I was the only one who read it like that.

Jesus. I was going to say the same thing.

[Guest ABG]

I felt like this series was Torre's worst managing job. A hallmark of his tenure has not been to panic, and yet after one one-run loss he completely shuffles his lineup? Then before elimination, he does so to an even greater degree? Very out of character.

[Guest cooby]

I like Joe Torre.

I think it would be great if the Red Sox hired him and he won about 110 games and left the Yankees in the dust.

[Guest *62]

And twenty-four hours later he's still there. All those news services may have jumped the gun.

[Frayed Knot]

a) nobody really 'jumped the gun' because no one ever said it was a done deal, only that it was likely
the only one who even said it was likely was a piece in 'The Daily News'. "All those news services" weren't independently reporting anything, they were merely citing and repeating the DN report. That's not the same as 3 or 4 different outlets each reporting that they received the same info


What's driving this thing is the idea that George lusts after Lou and that Lou won't be available unless they act real soon seeing as he'll have plenty of other suitors and isn't going to blow them all off just on the chance that the NYY job will still be his for the asking a year from now when Torre's contract is slated to run out.

[Bunt the First Two]

Frayed Knot wrote: a) nobody really 'jumped the gun' because no one ever said it was a done deal, only that it was likely

Well, let's be fair. *62 jumped the gun.

[Guest vtmet]

I've been noticing a few articles where the headline claims something as a foregone conclusion...and then in the article itself, the wording is all iffy...

On Torre getting fired, on Cliff being out for the rest of the playoffs, on WIllie's rotation...and then inside the article, you get things like "...cliff is going to do what ever he can to get back on the field in the post season...", etc...

[Willets Point]

Damn liberal media!

[Guest *62]

Bunt the First Two wrote: ="Frayed Knot"]a) nobody really 'jumped the gun' because no one ever said it was a done deal, only that it was likely Well, let's be fair. *62 jumped the gun.

In all fairness, perhaps.

[Frayed Knot]

Torre = UNcanned (although maybe not un-caned)

So Madden used his access and ran with a "scoop" that turned out to be either:

- George throwing a temper tantrum that eventually blew over and Billy M. jumped the gun by assuming it was a final decision

OR

- it was true at the time but George was talked out of it by those in the org loyal to Torre

[metirish]

The Post no doubt will be happy as a pig in shit that they "scooped" the News today....

[Willets Point]

="Frayed Knot"]Torre = UNcanned (although maybe not un-caned) So Madden used his access and ran with a "scoop" that turned out to be either: - George throwing a temper tantrum that eventually blew over and Billy M. jumped the gun by assuming it was a final decision OR - it was true at the time but George was talked out of it by those in the org loyal to Torre

3rd option - Yankees allowed the story to float in the media a couple of days to gauge fan/media/player reaction.

[soupcan]

Torre on the FAN invokes the name of Rube Walker and gives Rube credit for making him aware of how important it is to 'take care' of pitchers early in Torre's managerial career

[metirish]

What pitchers did Torre take care of?...he freaking abused his middle guys.