Torre Canned ?

[Guest *62]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb

Pinella likely.

[stevejrogers]

RMPL!

Its in several different threads here, specifically the MFY-Tigers thread

[Guest vtmet]

Everything that I've seen so far is "LIKELY"...which is not quite the same as "HAS BEEN DONE"...how many years in a row have I seen "likely" to only see the statue back in the dugout...however, I can hardly wait for Yankee Anarchy...

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Isn't there a kind of moratorium on hiring and firing managers while a postseason series is in progress?

If Torre's about to be canned, it would have to be between the end of the NLDS and the start of the ALCS. And if there's no gap between the two (that is, if the Cardinals and Padres play on Monday night) then they'd have to wait until both LCS series ended and before the World Series started.

Or is that rule no longer in effect?

[Theoldmole]

Yeah, but George may be weighing "baseball protocol" on one hand, "steal the back page from the Mets" on the other.

[Frayed Knot]

="SteveJRogers"]RMPL! Its in several different threads here, specifically the MFY-Tigers thread

Relax!
There's nothing wrong with starting new threads on major stories, particularly when some existing discussion of it is buried on page 23 in some 24-page thread.

]Isn't there a kind of moratorium on hiring and firing managers while a postseason series is in progress?

Yes, and the reason that exists is due to Steinbrenner who once fired/hired his manager on the day of Game 7 of the WS - something he did (in the minds of almost everyone) for the sole purpose of stealing the headlines from baseball's crowning day.
-- if I can't win I'm going to hold my breath and then take all my toys and go home
So timing the announcement for Monday, if nothing's going on, is certainly possible - although little can be done to keep leaks from intruding on active days.



Having said all that, this certainly isn't a done deal.
Don't get too caught up simply because multiple outlets are reporting a story when, in fact, several of those outlets (Yahoo, ESPN) are doing nothing more than citing the original source - in this case The Daily News. And even the NYDN seems to have softened its language from "is likely to" down to "could" since it was originally quoted.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

The whole protocol evolved when George blew his stack that Bobby V's firing stole the headlines from the MFYs.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think this goes back long before then. Eighties-times, when Yankee managers were being canned like beets.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Edgy DC wrote: I think this goes back long before then. Eighties-times, when Yankee managers were being canned like beets.

But I don't think that anyone complained about the timing of such announcements until the Valentine Massacre.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Frayed Knot suggests otherwise.

Valentine was fired just after the season, wasn't he?

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Yes, he was. After the regular season, and George was miffed that the headlines were about the firing and not about the MFY's division series that day.

[RealityChuck]

It's all Torre's fault. After all, he was the one person on the roster who wasn't hitting.

[stevejrogers]

Edgy DC wrote: Frayed Knot suggests otherwise. Valentine was fired just after the season, wasn't he?

Well Buck was just fired right as the playoffs were happening rather than the day before the playoffs started

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

The point is that managers being fired after the season was never an issue until George felt that Bobby V's firing stole the back page from the MFYs that day.

[dinosaur jesus]

RealityChuck wrote: It's all Torre's fault. After all, he was the one person on the roster who wasn't hitting.

Well, no, he wasn't the only one.

[stevejrogers]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: The point is that managers being fired after the season was never an issue until George felt that Bobby V's firing stole the back page from the MFYs that day.

BTW could you imagine if this was football, where its too your advantage to have your ducks in a row by at LEAST late January with a new coach in place since the combines and such takes place in Feb

"THEY"RE STEALING THE PRESS FOR OUR PLAYOFF RUN! GEORGE IS GETTING ANGRY!"

"Uh, they need to start implenting their new systems right away..."

[Frayed Knot]

="ScarletKnight41"]The point is that managers being fired after the season was never an issue until George felt that Bobby V's firing stole the back page from the MFYs that day.

It's not about firing managers after the season; that's when most managers are fired. But the edict from the commish's office about timing a change in a way that detracts from the national or local interest in the playoffs & (especially) WS games stems not from George claiming it was done to him but from he himself pulling one of his 'Billy Returns' switcheroos on the day of Game 7 for the sole purpose of deflecting NYC attention from a WS in which his team wasn't involved.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's not how I remember it happening.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

That was a Ms. Metly response, no?

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

No - if you give me the documentation, I'll reconsider. I have a memory of George going ballistic over the timing of Bobby V's firing and Bud reacting to the hissy fit.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Agreed with Frayed Knot. This goes back to the eighties. The rule exists not because of an indiscretion Steinbrenner claimed was committed against his team, but because of an indiscretion that commissioner's office folks felt he committed.

That he rather self-servingly claimed to be a victim of the shenanigans he mastered goes to show the self-serving, self-serving, self-justifying world in inhabits, at least publicly.

That his actions were on the night of championship games, not the day before a playoff series began and the day after the season ended, when most managers tend to get it, may have been lost on him in his zeal to be a victim, or maybe he rather just thought people were stupid.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

No one is disputing the Valentine incident; the topic in dispute is "where it all started."

[Frayed Knot]

I have no doubt that George threw a fit over it. I don't specifically remember it but he's certainly thrown bigger fits over lesser actions.
It's just that this notion that MLB restrictions on manager movement started because of that just isn't true. They've been in place since long before then.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Apparently they weren't enforced all that much before that time, though.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I've got October 20, 1987, Steinbrenner firing Pinella and hiriing Martin in between games 2 and 3 of the World Series.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

And what action was taken in response?

[Guest Edgy DC]

"During the last two World Series, Steinbrenner announced Pinella's hiring and his rehiring. Recently, a source close to the Yankees said, Commissioner Peter Ueberroth asked Steinbrenner not to make any managerial move during this World Series so that he would not detract from the games. Steinbrenner, the source added, was prepared to adhere to Ueberroth's request but changed his mind after three general managers were dismissed or resigned during postseason games." ---NYT

"The other surprise was timing. Steinbrenner had last fired a manager --- it was Martin --- on the day of game seven of the 1985 World Series. That move knocked the World Series off the covers of the New York tabloids, and sources say Commissioner Peter Ueberroth urged Steinbrenner to wait until after the World Series to make this move." --- Washington Post

By the time Lou Pinella (who Martin had replaced and who subsequently replaced Martin mid-season 1988) was fired during the post-season of 1988, Steinbrenner was under new rules, and had to call the commissioner's office to ask for permission to announce the change during a five hour window on an off-day in between games two and three of the Mets/Dodgers championship series. (Post, 10/7/1988)

[Guest Rotblatt]

This is an amazing article.

It says that maybe Torre should be fired, but Pinella definitely shouldn't be hired because A-Rod likes him.

Amazing!

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I look at this headline and see Torre Caned. Like they'd do in Singapore.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I look at this headline and see Torre Caned. Like they'd do in Singapore.

I thought I was the only one who read it like that.