Carlos Bel-TRAN?

[MFS62]

That's the way Jon Miller pronounced it the other night.
Mets announcers have been pronouncing it BEL-tran.

Spanish grammar says you accent the second syllable from the end of a word, unless there is an accent written over the vowel in the last syllable. This week, the New York Times printed Beltran's name (in a headline) with the written accent. That would make Miller's pronunciation correct.
First time I'd seen that. Now I'm not sure about how his name should be pronounced. The Times pays its editors a lot of money to be right on things like this.

Has anyone lese seen it written with the accent?

Later

[nymr83]

yahoo fantasy sports has the ' over the "a"

[MFS62]

Then I guess Jon Miller is correct.
Scarry thought.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

My wife, who knows enough Spanish to know pronounciation, always bristles when she hears BEL-tran, especially when the second syllable rhymes with "man". She says it should be bel-TRAN, with the "TRAN" rhyming with "Ron".

[Guest Edgy DC]

I always like when peeps bristle when accurate Spanish pronunciations are used.

[MFS62]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: My wife, who knows enough Spanish to know pronounciation, always bristles when she hears BEL-tran, especially when the second syllable rhymes with "man". She says it should be bel-TRAN, with the "TRAN" rhyming with "Ron".

Yes,
the "a" in Spanish is pronounced "ah".
I should have remembered that too.
Kudos to wifey.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Edgy DC wrote: I always like when peeps bristle when accurate Spanish pronunciations are used.

Are you saying that BELL-tran (rhyming with Bell-man) is correct?

[Guest Edgy DC]

No, I'm saying that non-Spanish speakers who snort when somebody introduces Tony Perez as Tony Pedez, as if they think it's some sort of snobbery to do so, are funny.

As if "English-speaking people will decide how Spanish is pronounced in this country, dammit."

[Guest KC]

Some of the problem is dialect too. My high school teacher taught us to
pronounce many things with an upscale Madridian dialect that if used on
someone asking a New Yorker about the next bus would think you were a
big giant flamer.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yup. I got Castilllian Spanish without the lisp, also.

I understand the Salvadorans here in DC kinda OK. Among Nuyorique�os, I was lost.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Maybe we can ask Jon Miller about "Vanis takee"

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Why ask Jon Miller? Why not ask Google?

Scuba Steve seems to have the answer:

]Let me try to get back on track here, what was I talking about? Oh Yeah, walk out music. Every player has a song. For example, every time Carlos Beltran steps to the plate this song "Eres Aqui" comes on. I don't understand a word of it, but I like it. It's catchy. Apparently so does Beltran who has 33 home runs and 96 RBI.

[Guest cooby]

Here you are? You are here? Are you here?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

According to Google's translate tool, "Eres aqui" means "You are here."

(In Japanese, you would say, "Ananta wa koko ni imasu" That one I knew without Google's help!)

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

[Frayed Knot]

]Mets announcers have been pronouncing it BEL-tran

Seems to me that Cohen has been pronouncing it bel-TRAHN all along.
He's usually pretty good about that stuff.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

If only Carlos were more like Rickey Henderson. Then we'd know how to pronounce it!

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Yes, that's correct. The difference is Miller does his 'trahn' with more flair.

[metirish]

I'm going to emial SNY's "ask the booth" and hopefully Gary will bring it up on air.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

You think the question will make Gary puke?

[Guest Rotblatt]

My high school spanish teacher was Cuban. Whenever I try to speak Spanish now, I still use a poor imatation of her inflection. She tried to explain the difference between dialects, but I had a hard time paying attention, because she a) was hot and I was (just) 17. If you know what I mean.

Anyway, I'm gonna have to agree with the bel-TRAHN pronunciation, even though I always fuck it up. My fiance and I have been talking honeymoons, and we've been mercilessly making fun of each other for our pronunciations of "Buenos Aires." I think the mirth of which you speak, Edgy, is because it sounds kind of silly to go from hardcore american accent to hardcore Spanish accent. Kind of like that Will Ferrell SNL skit where he imitates Dubya giving a speech to Mexican-Americans and he drops the hardcore accent on words like "tacos," "burritos" and "sombrero."

[Guest Edgy DC]

No doubt gringos sound silly forcing themselves.

On the other hand, they shouldn't be busting on bilingual peeps who do it right.

We had a valedctory graduation speaker name Carlos Rodriguez, the class after me in college. Peeps were bitter, because it was believed that he only got the honor because the Governor of Puerto Rico was our commencement speaker.

Carlos introduced himself, and when he said his name, the s was almost llisped, the initial R in his last name was rolled just a bit, and the second r was largely eclipsed by the d, and he was heavily criticized for this pronunciation when we all knew his English was unaccented. I thought, "Just because he learned to speak English like other Americans doesn't mean he has to speak his Spanish that way," and "It's his name, and if he wants to call himself Carlos Dope P-Moneybags, whatever."

[Guest martin]

my mexican dooman is nice enough to give listener specific pronounciations for the residents of my building. for instance he says "mexico" to me, but for the spanish speakers in my building he says it like meh-hico. he also prounces alex rodriguez's name much different for me than he does to his friends.

i say bel-trahn, thats the best i can do.

until today i still thought "eres aqui" might be "perros aqui", which i still think would be a cooler song.

[nymr83]

]"It's his name, and if he wants to call himself Carlos Dope P-Moneybags, whatever."

agreed.
still strange that some names appear with and without the accent marks, perhaps you can chalk it up to keyboards not having accented letters and lazy writers not wanting to hit alt+0484 or something, but isn't that what editors (or interns) are for?

[Elster88]

How do I go about figuring out what Met was the fastest to 100 RBI in one season?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't know if this is satisfying to you, but go to a season in the IMDB in which a guy got 100 RBI --- there weren't that many before Davey Johnson's era.

Click on a September boxscore, and at the top of the box, it'll have a link for "Mets Stats Through This Game."

Go forward and backward through time until you find the date.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'd think that the only candidates would be Gilkey in 1996 or Ventura or Piazza in 1999.

[dinosaur jesus]

I get Ventura on August 18, 1999, and Piazza on the same date the next year.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: I don't know if this is satisfying to you, but go to a season in the IMDB in which a guy got 100 RBI --- there weren't that many before Davey Johnson's era. Click on a September boxscore, and at the top of the box, it'll have a link for "Mets Stats Through This Game." Go forward and backward through time until you find the date.

That's what I figured.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

While I was in the UMDB looking up 3-homer games, I figured I'd provide a definitive answer to this question:

The earliest any Mets player reached 100 RBI was in the 122nd game of the season, done by Robin Ventura in 1999 and again by Mike Piazza in 2000.

The next-best is game 130, by Todd Hundley in 1996. Bernard Gilkey got there in game 131 of the same year.

Next comes Mike Piazza's 1999 season, where he reached 100 RBI in game 132.

And I'll end this by mentioning Howard Johnson in 1991, where he reached 100 in game 140.

So there you have it.