Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 11, 2006 Posted April 11, 2006 St. Louis Cardinals 11, New York Mets 4Game Played on Wednesday, April 11, 1962 (N) at Busch Stadium INY N 0 0 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 - 4 8 3STL N 2 0 3 0 1 4 0 1 x - 11 16 1BATTINGNew York Mets AB R H RBI BB SO PO AAshburn cf 5 1 1 0 0 0 3 0Mantilla ss 4 1 1 0 1 0 4 1Neal 2b 4 1 3 2 0 0 1 4Thomas lf 3 0 0 1 0 0 1 0Bell rf 3 0 1 0 1 0 2 3Hodges 1b 4 1 1 1 0 1 8 1Zimmer 3b 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 3Landrith c 4 0 0 0 0 0 4 0Craig p 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Bouchee ph 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 Moorhead p 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Moford p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Labine p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Marshall ph 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0Totals 33 4 8 4 4 2 24 12FIELDING - E: Mantilla (1), Neal (1), Landrith (1).BATTING - 2B: Mantilla (1,off Jackson).HR: Hodges (1,4th inning off Jackson 0 on, 0 out); Neal (1,5th inning off Jackson0 on, 1 out).SF: Thomas (1,off Jackson).Team LOB: 7.St. Louis Cardinals AB R H RBI BB SO PO AFlood cf 4 3 2 1 0 0 5 0Javier 2b 5 3 4 1 0 0 3 4White 1b 4 1 2 3 0 0 9 0Musial rf 3 1 3 2 1 0 2 0 Landrum rf 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0Boyer 3b 4 0 1 2 0 0 1 3Minoso lf 4 0 1 1 0 1 3 0Oliver c 4 1 2 0 0 1 3 0Gotay ss 4 1 0 0 0 0 1 2Jackson p 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1Totals 37 11 16 11 1 2 27 10FIELDING - DP: 2.E: Boyer (1).BATTING - 2B: Musial (1,off Craig); Boyer (1,off Moorhead); Oliver 2 (2,off Moorhead,offMoford).SF: Flood (1,off Moorhead); White (1,off Moorhead).Team LOB: 5.BASERUNNING - SB: Flood 2 (2,2nd base off Craig/Landrith,2nd base off Labine/Landrith); Javier(1,2nd base off Moorhead/Landrith).PITCHINGNew York Mets IP H R ER BB SO HRCraig L(0-1) 3 8 5 5 0 1 0Moorhead 3 6 5 2 1 1 0Moford 1 1 0 0 0 0 0Labine 1 1 1 0 0 0 0Totals 8 16 11 7 1 2 0St. Louis Cardinals IP H R ER BB SO HRJackson W(1-0) 9 8 4 4 4 2 2BK: Craig (1).Umpires: Tom Gorman, Bill Jackowski, Ed Sudol, Al FormanTime of Game: 2:53 Attendance: 16147Starting Lineups: New York Mets St. Louis Cardinals 1. Ashburn cf Flood cf2. Mantilla ss Javier 2b3. Neal 2b White 1b4. Thomas lf Musial rf5. Bell rf Boyer 3b6. Hodges 1b Minoso lf7. Zimmer 3b Oliver c8. Landrith c Gotay ss9. Craig p Jackson pMETS 1ST: Ashburn made an out to center; Mantilla grounded out(third to first); Neal made an out to right; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0LOB. Mets 0, Cardinals 0.CARDINALS 1ST: Flood made an out to center; Javier singled toleft; White singled to right [Javier to third]; Musial singledto left [Javier scored, White to second]; Craig balked [White tothird, Musial to second]; Boyer grounded out (third to first)[White scored]; Minoso popped to catcher in foul territory; 2 R,3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Cardinals 2.METS 2ND: Thomas grounded out (shortstop to first); Bell singledto center; Hodges made an out to third; Zimmer singled to center[bell to second]; Landrith made an out to second; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E,2 LOB. Mets 0, Cardinals 2.CARDINALS 2ND: Oliver struck out; Gotay grounded out (third tofirst); Jackson made an out to left; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets0, Cardinals 2.METS 3RD: Craig struck out; Ashburn singled to left; Mantillawalked [Ashburn to second]; Neal singled to right [Ashburnscored, Mantilla to third]; Thomas hit a sacrifice fly to center[Mantilla scored]; Bell made an out to right; 2 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1LOB. Mets 2, Cardinals 2.CARDINALS 3RD: Flood singled to left; Flood stole second; Javiersingled to left [Flood to third]; White singled to left [Floodscored, Javier to third]; Musial doubled to right [Javierscored, White out at home (right to second to catcher)]; Boyergrounded out (third to first); Minoso singled to right [Musialscored, Minoso out at second (right to first to second tothird)]; 3 R, 5 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 2, Cardinals 5.METS 4TH: Hodges homered; Zimmer grounded out (second to first);Landrith made an out to left; BOUCHEE BATTED FOR CRAIG; Boucheewalked; Ashburn grounded out (first unassisted); 1 R, 1 H, 0 E,1 LOB. Mets 3, Cardinals 5.CARDINALS 4TH: MOORHEAD REPLACED BOUCHEE (PITCHING); Oliverlined to shortstop; Gotay grounded out (second to first);Jackson made an out to center; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 3,Cardinals 5.METS 5TH: Mantilla lined to center; Neal homered; Thomas reachedon an error by Boyer [Thomas to first]; Bell made an out toleft; Hodges struck out; 1 R, 1 H, 1 E, 1 LOB. Mets 4,Cardinals 5.CARDINALS 5TH: Flood singled to left; Javier grounded out (firstunassisted) [Flood to second]; White made an out to shortstop;Musial walked; Boyer doubled to right [Flood scored, Musial tothird]; Minoso struck out; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 4,Cardinals 6.METS 6TH: Zimmer grounded out (third to first); Landrithgrounded out (second to first); Moorhead made an out toshortstop; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 4, Cardinals 6.CARDINALS 6TH: Oliver doubled to left; Gotay reached on an errorby Neal [Oliver to third, Gotay to first]; Jackson singled tocenter [Oliver scored, Gotay to third, Jackson to second (onthrow)]; Flood hit a sacrifice fly to right [Gotay scored(unearned), Jackson to third]; Javier singled to left [Jacksonscored (unearned)]; Javier stole second [Javier to third (errorby Landrith)]; White hit a sacrifice fly to right [Javier scored(unearned)]; Musial singled to right [Musial out at second(right to shortstop)]; 4 R, 4 H, 2 E, 0 LOB. Mets 4, Cardinals10.METS 7TH: LANDRUM REPLACED MUSIAL (PLAYING RF); Ashburn poppedto catcher; Mantilla doubled to left; Neal singled to center[Mantilla to third]; Thomas grounded into a double play (pitcherto second to first) [Neal out at second]; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 4, Cardinals 10.CARDINALS 7TH: MOFORD REPLACED MOORHEAD (PITCHING); Boyer linedto second; Minoso grounded out (shortstop to first); Oliverdoubled to left; Gotay lined to first; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 4, Cardinals 10.METS 8TH: Bell walked; Hodges grounded into a double play(shortstop to second to first) [bell out at second]; Zimmer madean out to left; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 4, Cardinals 10.CARDINALS 8TH: LABINE REPLACED MOFORD (PITCHING); Jackson madean out to center; Flood reached on an error by Mantilla; Floodstole second; Javier singled to left [Flood to third]; Whiteforced Javier (second to shortstop) [Flood scored (unearned)];Landrum grounded out (first unassisted); 1 R, 1 H, 1 E, 1 LOB. Mets 4, Cardinals 11.METS 9TH: Landrith made an out to center; MARSHALL BATTED FORLABINE; Marshall walked; Ashburn made an out to center; Mantillagrounded out (third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 4,Cardinals 11.Final Totals R H E LOB Mets 4 8 3 7 Cardinals 11 16 1 5
DocTee Old-Timey Member Posted April 11, 2006 Posted April 11, 2006 Sign of the times: a complete game on opening day?!That was one helluva top four for St. Louis that day!
RealityChuck Old-Timey Member Posted April 11, 2006 Posted April 11, 2006 The start of Larry Jackson's Met-killing ways. He was 21-2 against the Mets (with 18 wins in a row at one point).
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Houston Astros 1, New York Mets 0DayGame Played on Monday, April 15, 1968 (N) at AstrodomeNY N 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 11 1HOU N 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 - 1 11 1BATTINGNew York Mets AB R H RBI BB SO PO AWeis ss 9 0 1 0 1 1 2 8Boswell 2b 10 0 1 0 0 3 3 6Agee cf 10 0 0 0 0 4 9 0Swoboda rf 10 0 0 0 0 5 6 0Shamsky lf 4 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 Jones pr,lf 6 0 1 0 0 1 1 0Kranepool 1b 8 0 2 0 1 0 25 2Buchek 3b 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 Charles 3b 6 0 1 0 1 1 2 4Grote c 7 0 2 0 1 1 19 2Seaver p 3 0 1 0 1 1 1 2 Taylor p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Linz ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Koonce p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Short p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Selma p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Bosch ph 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Jackson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Harrelson ph 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Frisella p 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 Cardwell ph 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Rohr p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1Totals 79 0 11 0 5 20 70 30FIELDING - DP: 1.E: Weis (1).BATTING - 2B: Charles (1,off Ray).SH: Buchek (1,off Wilson); Grote (1,off Ray); Kranepool (2,off Ray); Cardwell(1,off Blasingame).IBB: Grote (2,by Wilson); Charles (1,by Ray).Team LOB: 16.BASERUNNING - SB: Charles (2,2nd base off Ray/King); Jones (1,3rd base off Ray/King).Houston Astros AB R H RBI BB SO PO ADavis cf 10 0 1 0 0 3 6 0Miller rf 8 1 1 0 1 2 6 0Wynn lf 8 0 1 0 2 2 1 0Staub 1b 9 0 2 0 1 0 23 5King c 9 0 1 0 0 2 19 1 Bateman ph 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0Aspromonte 3b 9 0 0 1 1 2 1 3Gotay 2b 9 0 2 0 0 1 10 4Torres ss 8 0 3 0 1 1 3 8Wilson p 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 Thomas ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Buzhardt p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 Rader ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Coombs p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 Murrell ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Ray p 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 Blasingame p 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2Totals 79 1 11 1 7 15 72 26FIELDING - DP: 1.E: Wilson (1).BATTING - 2B: King (1,off Seaver).SH: Miller (1,off Koonce).IBB: Wynn 2 (2,by Short,by Rohr); Aspromonte (3,by Rohr); Bateman (1,by Rohr).Team LOB: 16.BASERUNNING - CS: Gotay (1,2nd base by Frisella/Grote); Miller (1,2nd base by Frisella/Grote).PITCHINGNew York Mets IP H R ER BB SO HRSeaver 10 2 0 0 0 3 0Taylor 1 1 0 0 0 1 0Koonce 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0Short 1 1 0 0 2 1 0Selma 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0Jackson 3 1 0 0 0 4 0Frisella 5 4 0 0 1 4 0Rohr L(0-1) 2.1 1 1 1 4 2 0Totals 23.1 11 1 1 7 15 0Houston Astros IP H R ER BB SO HRWilson 9 5 0 0 3 5 0Buzhardt 2 0 0 0 0 1 0Coombs 2 3 0 0 0 2 0Ray 7 2 0 0 1 11 0Blasingame W(1-0) 4 1 0 0 1 1 0Totals 24 11 0 0 5 20 0WP: Seaver (1), Rohr (1), Wilson (2).BK: Rohr (1).IBB: Short (1,Wynn); Rohr 3 (3,Aspromonte,Wynn,Bateman); Wilson (1,Grote); Ray(1,Charles).Umpires: Ed Sudol, Lee Weyer, Bill Williams, Tom GormanTime of Game: 6:06 Attendance: 14219Starting Lineups: New York Mets Houston Astros 1. Weis ss Davis cf2. Boswell 2b Miller rf3. Agee cf Wynn lf4. Swoboda rf Staub 1b5. Shamsky lf King c6. Kranepool 1b Aspromonte 3b7. Buchek 3b Gotay 2b8. Grote c Torres ss9. Seaver p Wilson pMETS 1ST: Weis grounded out (shortstop to first); Boswell fliedto center; Agee grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 1ST: Davis popped to pitcher; Miller flied to right; Wynngrounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets0, Astros 0.METS 2ND: Swoboda flied to right; Shamsky flied to right;Kranepool singled to center; Buchek forced Kranepool (shortstopto second); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 2ND: Staub flied to right; King doubled to left; Seaverthrew a wild pitch [King to third]; Aspromonte reached on afielder's choice [King out at home (second to catcher)]; Gotaypopped to catcher in foul territory; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets0, Astros 0.METS 3RD: Grote popped to second; Seaver struck out; Weiswalked; Boswell struck out but Weis advanced to second andBoswell advanced to first on a wild pitch; Agee flied to right;0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 3RD: Torres grounded out (third to first); Wilsongrounded out (pitcher to first); Davis flied to center; 0 R, 0H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 4TH: Swoboda popped to first; Shamsky singled to right;Shamsky was picked off first but was safe on an error by Wilson[shamsky to second]; Kranepool lined to center; Buchek groundedout (shortstop to first); 0 R, 1 H, 1 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros0.ASTROS 4TH: Miller flied to center; Wynn grounded out (second tofirst); Staub grounded out (third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 5TH: Grote lined to left; Seaver singled to right; Weispopped to third; Boswell grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 1H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 5TH: King grounded out (pitcher to first); Aspromonteflied to right; Gotay grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 6TH: Agee struck out; Swoboda struck out; Shamsky popped toshortstop; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 6TH: Torres grounded out (third to first); Wilsongrounded out (shortstop to first); Davis struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 7TH: Kranepool singled to left; Buchek out on a sacrificebunt (pitcher to first) [Kranepool to second]; Grote flied tocenter; Seaver walked; Weis grounded out (first unassisted); 0R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 7TH: CHARLES REPLACED BUCHEK (PLAYING 3B); Miller struckout; Wynn struck out; Staub flied to center; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 8TH: Boswell grounded out (first to pitcher); Agee poppedto second; Swoboda struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.ASTROS 8TH: King made an out to left; Aspromonte popped tocatcher; Gotay flied to center; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.METS 9TH: Shamsky singled to right; JONES RAN FOR SHAMSKY;Kranepool forced Jones (third to shortstop); Charles groundedout (third to first) [Kranepool to second]; Grote was walkedintentionally; Seaver grounded out (pitcher to first); 0 R, 1 H,0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 9TH: JONES STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING LF); Torres groundedout (third to first); THOMAS BATTED FOR WILSON; Thomas popped tothird; Davis popped to third; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.METS 10TH: BUZHARDT REPLACED THOMAS (PITCHING); Weis popped toshortstop; Boswell flied to center; Agee grounded out (catcherto first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 10TH: Miller grounded out (second to first); Wynn fliedto center; Staub singled to right; King forced Staub (first toshortstop); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 11TH: Swoboda struck out; Jones grounded out (firstunassisted); Kranepool grounded out (first to pitcher); 0 R, 0H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 11TH: TAYLOR REPLACED SEAVER (PITCHING); Aspromontestruck out; Gotay grounded out (shortstop to first); Torressingled to center; RADER BATTED FOR BUZHARDT; Rader flied toright; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 12TH: COOMBS REPLACED RADER (PITCHING); Charles struck out;Grote singled to center; LINZ BATTED FOR TAYLOR; Linz popped tosecond; Weis singled to left [Grote to second]; Boswell singled[Grote to third, Weis to second]; Agee grounded out (second tofirst); 0 R, 3 H, 0 E, 3 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 12TH: KOONCE REPLACED LINZ (PITCHING); Davis singled tocenter; Miller out on a sacrifice bunt (first to second) [Davisto second]; SHORT REPLACED KOONCE (PITCHING); Wynn was walkedintentionally; Staub popped to catcher in foul territory; Kingstruck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 13TH: Swoboda flied to center; Jones struck out; Kranepoolgrounded out (first to pitcher); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.ASTROS 13TH: Aspromonte grounded out (pitcher to first); Gotaysingled to center; Torres walked [Gotay to second]; MURRELLBATTED FOR COOMBS; SELMA REPLACED SHORT (PITCHING); Murrellflied to right; Davis popped to second; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 14TH: RAY REPLACED MURRELL (PITCHING); Charles grounded out(pitcher to first); Grote flied to right; BOSCH BATTED FORSELMA; Bosch struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 14TH: JACKSON REPLACED BOSCH (PITCHING); Miller groundedout (shortstop to first); Wynn grounded out (third to first);Staub grounded out (pitcher to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 15TH: Weis was called out on strikes; Boswell grounded out(first unassisted); Agee struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets0, Astros 0.ASTROS 15TH: King struck out; Aspromonte struck out; Gotaygrounded out (third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.METS 16TH: Swoboda flied to center; Jones grounded out(shortstop to first); Kranepool popped to second; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E,0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 16TH: On a bunt Torres singled to third; On a bunt Raystruck out; Davis struck out; Miller flied to center; 0 R, 1 H,0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 17TH: Charles doubled to left; Grote out on a sacrificebunt (first to second) [Charles to third]; HARRELSON BATTED FORJACKSON; On a bunt Harrelson struck out; Weis grounded out(shortstop to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 17TH: FRISELLA REPLACED HARRELSON (PITCHING); Wynn fliedto left; Staub flied to center; King grounded out (shortstop tofirst); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 18TH: Boswell struck out; Agee was called out on strikes;Swoboda struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 18TH: Aspromonte grounded out (third to first); Gotaygrounded out (second to first); Torres singled; Ray struck out;0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 19TH: Jones singled; Kranepool out on a sacrifice bunt(first to second) [Jones to second]; Charles was walkedintentionally; Jones stole third and Charles stole second; Grotestruck out; Frisella struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.ASTROS 19TH: Davis struck out; Miller struck out; Wynn singledto left; Staub singled to left [Wynn to second]; King flied toright; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 20TH: Weis grounded out (second to first); Boswell struckout; Agee struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 20TH: Aspromonte grounded out (shortstop to first); Gotaysingled; Torres struck out while Gotay was caught stealingsecond (catcher to shortstop); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.METS 21ST: BLASINGAME REPLACED RAY (PITCHING); Swoboda struckout; Jones popped to second; Kranepool grounded out (shortstopto first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.ASTROS 21ST: Blasingame grounded out (second to first); Davispopped to pitcher; Miller walked; Miller was caught stealingsecond (catcher to second); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.METS 22ND: Charles grounded out (pitcher to first); Grotesingled to left; CARDWELL BATTED FOR FRISELLA; Cardwell out on asacrifice bunt (pitcher to second) [Grote to second]; Weisgrounded out (third to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Mets 0,Astros 0.ASTROS 22ND: ROHR REPLACED CARDWELL (PITCHING); Wynn struck out;Staub walked; Rohr threw a wild pitch [staub to second]; Kinggrounded out (shortstop to first) [staub to third]; Aspromontewas walked intentionally; Gotay struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 2LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 23RD: Boswell lined to first; Agee grounded out (firstunassisted); Swoboda flied to right; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets0, Astros 0.ASTROS 23RD: Torres grounded out (pitcher to first); Blasingameflied to center; Davis flied to center; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 0.METS 24TH: Jones flied to right; Kranepool walked; Charlesgrounded into a double play (shortstop to second to first)[Kranepool out at second]; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Mets 0, Astros0.ASTROS 24TH: Miller singled to right; Rohr balked [Miller tosecond]; Wynn was walked intentionally; Staub grounded out(second to first) [Miller to third, Wynn to second]; BATEMANBATTED FOR KING; Bateman was walked intentionally; Aspromontereached on an error by Weis [Miller scored (RBI), Wynn to third,Bateman to second]; 1 R, 1 H, 1 E, 3 LOB. Mets 0, Astros 1.Final Totals R H E LOB Mets 0 11 1 16 Astros 1 11 1 16
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Back to that first ever game;there was a sound recording (available years ago on a vinyl LP) of various Mets highlights and I recall a one of our original announcers (Lindsey I believe) calling that first inning balk by saying (to my memory) 'that the Mets have given up their first run in history on a balk'But according to that play-by-play (I'm assuming from Retrosheet) there was already a run in prior to the balk.So something's wrong here;1) my memory of the call2) the call itself3) the synopsis aboveI think maybe KC and/or Dickshot may have a copy of that recording.Any help on this?
Guest Bret Sabermetric Guests Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 This obsession with crap from the past is simply sick.
Guest Johnny Dickshot Guests Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 I have since learned that at least some of those recordings were faked, or re-created for that record, and the "balk" call was one of them. Pretty sloppy mistake by everyone involved.
Guest mlbaseballtalk Guests Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Johnny Dickshot wrote:I have since learned that at least some of those recordings were faked, or re-created for that record, and the "balk" call was one of them. Pretty sloppy mistake by everyone involved.And then it becomes part of "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" syndromeWhen the Legend becomes truth, print the Legend!So it becomes a funny anedocte based on the Mets inepitude that season, in other words "The 62 Mets were so bad it HAS to be true!"
Guest mlbaseballtalk Guests Posted April 15, 2006 Posted April 15, 2006 Bret Sabermetric wrote:This obsession with crap from the past is simply sick.I agree that alot of it gets superferlous, especially with RetroSheet.org doing exact PBP of every game, but if it can show errors in simple things, like the legend about the Mets giving up their first run on a balk, it can correct oft-repeated tales that are pure fiction or half-truths.Sure in the grand scheme of things its pretty meaningless, who cares if the Mets first run giving up was a balk, homerun, third-strike WP, or whatever, the 1962 Mets were a horrid baseball team period, but correcting little things that can easily be researched (just go to any library that has NYT archives, or in St Louis, the Dispatch or Sporting News archives) rather than continuing to repeat "cute fuzzy" ancedotes are good for setting record straight. Especially if you want to make the point that the 1962 Mets were not a lovable, clownish bad baseball team which is probably why the balk story gets repeated, but rather a horrid blight of a team that should be remebered as a crappy way to kick off the Mets franchise history
Guest mlbaseballtalk Guests Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 Hey Bret, one thing, apparantly its because of CRAP FROM THE PAST that is making the sham of steriods become the sham of steroids.Think about it, would we have this national debate if Roger Maris' record wasn't obliterated by Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds? Or if Bonds wasn't chasing down Ruth and Aaron?I mean it was a fucking topic in the media about a fucking retarded hitting streak being over two seasons or not, AND IT NEVER GOT TO 40 GAMES! COULD THEY HAVE AT LEAST WAITED TILL ROLLINS GOT TO 46 TO GO "OH, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING SO PEOPLE WILL STOP ASKING WHAT WE SHOULD DO?" And you know what NO BODY GAVE A SHIT EITHER WAY, ESPECIALLY SINCE ROLLINS FAILED TO HIT 40 STRAIGHT!No where else, not football, not basketball where believe me steriods is very prevelant. You think Walter Payton died because of a rare kindey disorder? You think Reggie White died simply because of sleep aemia? Why aren't Rice and TO looked at hard by investegators, only Romanoski was the only "name" NFLer involved with the BALCO mess and that was "swept under the rug" ya know why? BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE PAST IN THE NFL OR NBA! BECAUSE NO ONE KEEPS TRACK OF SHIT OR NEEDS TO KNOWYes I'm ranting on you and agreeing with you at the same time! B-R.com has a football and basketball sister site, and for some reason baseball-reference.com seems like a more complete, professional site while the other two, NOT SO MUCH! WHY? Because for some unknown reason, the fucking media has been ramming baseball down the nation's FUCKING THROATS about how fucking CHERRISHED the records are, how the game is a flowing river through time and other poetic pieces of horse manure.Yes its sickening, yes its borderline sycopant when you consider baseball is the ONLY FUCKING SPORT where athletes of the past are STILL CONSIDERED THE GREATEST ATHLETES IN THE SPORT, NOT OF THEIR TIME, BUT TODAY AS WELL!Ah but what the fuck do you expect from a game that felt the need to inshrine the guy who INVENTED STATS AND HOW TO FUCKING TAKE SCORE INTO THE HALL OF FAME! Henry Fucking Chadwick! THATS the reason for all of this, for RetroSheet.org for CRAP FROM THE PAST! No where else, hell where is the Bill James of basketball? Hmmm? Is there a Rob Neyer of football?Let me answer that, NO. Because stats mean shit in those sports! Because numbers aren't CHERRISED, because its ALL ABOUT TODAY ALL ABOUT THE NEXT GAME, its not about what happened YESTERDAY, and this is another reason why baseball is on the deathbed, STOP GIVING A RATS ASS ABOUT THE FUCKING PAST AND THINK ABOUT THE PRESENT AND THE GODDAMN FUTURE!
Guest Bret Sabermetric Guests Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 Frayed Knot wrote:But according to that play-by-play (I'm assuming from Retrosheet) there was already a run in prior to the balk.It's even worse than you're suggesting, since they never balked a run across the plate. On the second run, the runners moved up a base because of the balk but just to second and third, whence they came home on a groundout. So even if that were the first run, it could hardly be attributed to a balk call. Ultimately, perhaps, but ultimately the first run began when Musial's mother got pregnant.
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