All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread

[nymr83]

]A voting thread shouldn't have any instructions about who to vote for. The only appropriate comments at the opening of a thread should be the occassional reminder to vote for "Martinez" instead of "Pedro" (thankfully no longer needed) or to remember Orlando Hernandez' first initial.

I'd add a qualifier to this- some things (diving catches and other defensive plays as well as baserunning idiocy come to mind) don't appear in the box score, and i have no problem with whoever starts the thread reminding everyone that beltran caught one on a dive or that some shmuck got thrown out at 3rd base trying to stretch a double with nobody out.

[MFS62]

Nymr83 wrote: I'd add a qualifier to this- some things (diving catches and other defensive plays as well as baserunning idiocy come to mind) don't appear in the box score, and i have no problem with whoever starts the thread reminding everyone that beltran caught one on a dive or that some shmuck got thrown out at 3rd base trying to stretch a double with nobody out.

Its good for those things to be mentioned for those of us who don't get a chance to see all the games.
Thanks, 83.

Later

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Elster88 wrote: Elster88 - "He takes his Schaefer voting too seriously."

LOL

[Elster88]

No more stickying of active Schaefer threads?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Just the ones within a day of closing.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Glavine wasn't great last night, but I gave him a pony bottle of lite beer for giving us innings on short rest.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Month-to-date totals for June 2006
Through game of June 6, 2006

Rank	Name	Points
1	David Wright	7.09
2	Alay Soler	4.95
3	Lastings Milledge	3.63
4	Tom Glavine	3.54
5	Carlos Delgado	3.15
6	Steve Trachsel	2.81
7	Jos� Reyes	2.79
8	Jos� Valentin	2.48
9	Chad Bradford	2.11
10	Chris Woodward	1.87
11	Aaron Heilman	1.38
12	Paul Lo Duca	1.32
13	Cliff Floyd	1.20
14	Billy Wagner	0.99
15	Pedro Feliciano	0.93
16	Carlos Beltran	0.89
17	Duaner Sanchez	0.80
18	Endy Chavez	0.75
19	Darren Oliver	0.57
20	Orlando Hernandez	0.15
21	Pedro Martinez	0.04
21	Heath Bell	0.04

Season-to-date totals for 2006
Through game of June 6, 2006

Rank	Name	Points
1	David Wright	45.61
2	Tom Glavine	44.04
3	Carlos Delgado	40.31
4	Pedro Martinez	40.01
5	Carlos Beltran	36.37
6	Jos� Reyes	33.40
7	Xavier Nady	24.68
8	Paul Lo Duca	22.21
9	Steve Trachsel	20.47
10	Duaner Sanchez	18.55
11	Cliff Floyd	17.88
12	Billy Wagner	15.96
13	Jos� Valentin	15.58
14	Aaron Heilman	13.42
15	Darren Oliver	12.94
16	Brian Bannister	12.69
17	Endy Chavez	10.56
18	Kaz Matsui	7.97
19	Alay Soler	7.64
20	Pedro Feliciano	7.52
21	Chris Woodward	6.57
22	Chad Bradford	6.51
23	Ramon Castro	6.09
24	Jorge Julio	5.37
25	Julio Franco	4.75
26	Victor Zambrano	4.66
27	Lastings Milledge	4.07
28	Jeremi Gonzalez	3.25
29	Heath Bell	2.62
30	Orlando Hernandez	1.80
31	John Maine	0.76
32	Anderson Hernandez	0.57
33	Victor Diaz	0.32
34	Bartolome Fortunato	0.28
35	Jos� Lima	0.12

[nymr83]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Glavine wasn't great last night, but I gave him a pony bottle of lite beer for giving us innings on short rest.

i might have given him something if willie had said "you are pitching" and he'd said "ok coach," but the way i heard it he volunteered all on his own so he really does have to take t he same blame he would for a normal start imo.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

If he didn't pitch that day, we would have had to find a Jeremi Gonzalez type of solution. Glavine deserves the beer for saving us from that headache.

[nymr83]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: If he didn't pitch that day, we would have had to find a Jeremi Gonzalez type of solution. Glavine deserves the beer for saving us from that headache.

he pitched like crap though, a spot starter can give you that outing.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Not without making a roster move or totally mucking up the pen during a week that it was already used heavily.

[nymr83]

Oliver could have been used easily.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Not without taxing an already overtaxed bullpen.

[Elster88]

Beltran had about as perfect a game as can be had with the bat yesterday.

[Guest GYC]

Elster88 wrote: Beltran had about as perfect a game as can be had with the bat yesterday.

I wanted to give him 6 but there were too many other contributors.

[nymr83]

I'm annoyed that Soler didn't get all 6's.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

It looks like his final score will be very close to a perfect 6. But I agree that Soler met the standard of what constitutes a 6.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Mets 15 Diamondbacks 2 - There just aren't enough points for this game. I think that if the Mets score more than 10 runs, we should be allowed to award a point for each run they score.

Going to vote using the 10 points, but it seems that most of them are being greatly short changed for the performances they turned in.

[nymr83]

well, i gave Martinez "only" 2.5 for 5 innings 1 run (that can get a 3 or even a 4 sometimes) because i felt that with the huge early lead he was given he needed to be more efficient with his pitch count and go 6 or even 7 innings, in a blowout game the starter's job is to go as deep as possible so that we dont use the pen at all.

[Elster88]

Nymr83 wrote: well, i gave Martinez "only" 2.5 for 5 innings 1 run (that can get a 3 or even a 4 sometimes)

I thought he gave up both runs?

Edit: I'm El SSSSSSSSSSid.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I'm Hubie Brooks, the invisible third baseman.

[nymr83]

Elster88 wrote: ="Nymr83"]well, i gave Martinez "only" 2.5 for 5 innings 1 run (that can get a 3 or even a 4 sometimes) I thought he gave up both runs? Edit: I'm El SSSSSSSSSSid.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=260611129

the box score says 1 off him, but if its wrong let me know

[Elster88]

Yup, you're right. Thanks, Nymr.

[Elster88]

Rockin' Doc wrote: There just aren't enough points for this game. I think that if the Mets score more than 10 runs, we should be allowed to award a point for each run they score.

Disagree completely. Easy example. David Wright went 1 for 5 yesterday with an RBI double. If we had won the game 1-0, then that hit is more valuable. Coming yesterday, I might not give him any points.

Rockin' Doc wrote: Going to vote using the 10 points, but it seems that most of them are being greatly short changed for the performances they turned in.

I don't see it as short-changing. Them's the breaks. Using the example above again about David Wright, if he wants a lot of Schaefer, then he should hit his RBI double in a game with less offense.

One double is not as noteworthy or impressive when the entire team is teeing off on the same pitcher. If a pitcher is easier to hit off of in the particular game, then the hitter's hits are not worth as much beer.



Degree of difficulty counts!!!

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Also, even though there was a lot of offense, no one individual's contribution was essential to the victory. If Beltran, for example, had gone 0 for 5, the Mets still would have gone big. So he's not really entitled to a lot of points for that game.

Had he driven in 4 runs in a game that the Mets won 4 to 3, it would be a whole different story.

[Elster88]

Which is why automated spreadsheets don't work for me. Normally, 1 for 2 with a double would be deserving of points, but obviously Marrero's performance yesterday was entirely inconsequential. To me, there is no way it makes sense to me that he would be considered a PotG.

That's why doing these polls is more fun, there is some subjectivity involved. With the Marrero example, he came in because BOTH teams were putting in subs, and hit a double with a double digit lead. Not worthy of suds.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Closing out the series in Arizona:

Voting for Thursday's game will close on the morning of Tuesday, June 13.

The remaining games against the Diamondbacks will close on Wednesday. As I type this, a couple of the threads have drifted onto the second page. Be sure to get your votes in for all four of the Mets big wins against the NL West leaders!

Friday Mets win 10 to 6.
Saturday Soler's shutout.
Sunday Lopsided victory.

[MFS62]

I gave Marrero a half point not for his bat, but for his glove.
His nice running catch not only showed he is a viable option for that position (When he came here, we were told he was a "corner outfielder") but saved the ERA of a reliever who needed a good outing.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I gave Marrero a little bit too, because I gave points (or fractions of points) to a lot of the offensive contributors. For a game like this, a bunch of guys should get small rewards, as opposed to a few guys getting larger rewards.

[Theoldmole]

I spread the points around too, going against my usual focus on the two or three key players.