Offseason trading begins, Nats move Castilla to Padres

[Guest Edgy DC]

His opinion would have been more useful before they acquired Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmeiro.

[Frayed Knot]

It also doesn't say much for his brand new catcher when - virtually the same day as they sign Ramon Hernandez to a big deal - Tejada says something along the lines of; "how come we ain't done shit?"


So if you're the BoSox, suddenly finding yourself in need of a shortstop, do you swap Manny even-up for Tejada?
Do you do that deal if you're Bal'mer?



There's a nice challenge trade for ya.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Boston would probably do it in a New York minute.

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, I like this (totally made up - no hint of reality) deal from Boston's end a lot more than from Baltimore's.

[Guest sharpie]

Tejada played with Ramon Hernandez in Oakland. Maybe he knows that Ramon isn't a major acquisition. Or maybe he thinks Ramon is an asshole and left the A's to get away from him.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Boy the Ramirez-for-Tejaada thingy is a great idea (Boston throws in their SS prospect Hanley Ramirez to make it OK for Baltimore), but since a trade would require Manny's OK, the Sox ought to be limited in their ability to push something this through.

10 and 5 is a dangerous thing.

[metirish]

That trade would help both teams in a big way, one thing, didn't the Sox use Hanley to get Beckett?

[Guest OlerudOwned]

metirish wrote: That trade would help both teams in a big way, one thing, didn't the Sox use Hanley to get Beckett?

Yeah, I was confused about that myself. Maybe they tricked the Marlins with a body-double.

[nymr83]

it would be criminal for the Mets not to make a serious offer if Tejada is available.

[Guest Edgy DC]

No it wouldn't.

[Elster88]

Maybe not criminal, but all players who are available should be given a cursory look. In the case of a youngish stud like Tejada, the look should be more than cursory. Since we are one of the few teams that have a shortstop who could be considered a decent replacement for Tejada, we should give it an extra hard look.

So it may not be as criminal as the pro-trade, TiTTS crowd might lead you to believe, but it would be stupid if Omar didn't do some pontificating of a trade for Tejada.

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[Guest Edgy DC]

]So it maybe not as criminal as the anti-trade, pro-home grown crowd might lead you to believe, but it would be stupid if Omar didn't some pontificating.

I don't understand this at all.

[Elster88]

Ah I said that funny. What I meant was, it is not criminal to not take a look at Tejada, but it should be done to some degree. To not explore all avenues is stupid.

I got the group backwards...shouldn't be the anti-trade, home grown crowd, but the pro trade, TITTS crowd. Fixing.

[Guest Rotblatt]

If I were Omar, I'd totally explore a trade too.

I wonder if Reyes & Benson would get it done and if we'd be able to throw Matsui in there too in order to offset Tejada's salary ($48M over 4, IIRC).

We'd end up even on the salary for 2005, which would mean we might still have room to add both Grudzy & another pitcher.

On the other hand, that might not be enough for Baltimore . . .

[Vic Sage]

it wouldn't be enough for me, if i were GM-ing Baltimore.
I'd want more than Benson + Matsui, to go with Reyes. In fact, I'd view taking on the contracts of Benson + Matsui as an obligation, not a benefit, so i'd be looking for something else in that deal.

If i'm B'more, i'd ask for Reyes, Heilman and Milledge, but i'd settle for Reyes, Seo and V.Diaz.

If you're Omar, do you pull the trigger on that? why or why not?

discuss.

[metirish]

I would think you would have to make that trade, basically you are giving up Reyes and two players in Seo and Diaz where one seems to have to prove himself with every outing and the other pegged as a DH in the furture...if you will settle for Reyes, Seo and Diaz then yes I would do that.

[nymr83]

Seo > heilman IMO, i'd give up Reyes and heilman, i wouldnt give reyes and milledge unless they either gave us something else or paid some of the contract.
honestly though, Tejada is a great player and any Tejada trade that doesn't involve a truly absurd package (reyes, milledge, and seo for example) is fine with me.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I wish the ezBoards hadn't been wiped out, so I could confirm if my memory is correct. But I seem to remember that when Tejada was a free agent, almost nobody in this forum wanted him.

[Vic Sage]

i'm pretty sure i was not amongst such small-minded rabble.

[Elster88]

Nor I.

I don't think you should be surprised [that your memory is saying no one wanted Tejada on the old ezBoard], Yancy. Most of the old-timers still don't seem to want Tejada if they can keep Jose Reyes at short instead.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Vic Sage wrote: i'm pretty sure i was not amongst such small-minded rabble.

I remember liking the idea of Tejada, but being in the minority. I think the objection was, "We have Reyes why do we need Tejada?"

I'm more inclined now to align myself with the small-minded, mainly because Reyes is less of an unknown quantity, and I like it better when we import players via free agency instead of through a trade. Free agents only cost money.

[nymr83]

who cares if we had reyes at the time? we moved him to 2B for kaz matsucki but we wouldn't do it for tejada? thats the kind of thinking that got the last GM booted.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I don't know if that's what the Mets were thinking; I think that's what some fans were thinking.

I also remember this argument: The Mets don't need Alex Rodriguez because they have Rey Ordonez.

This, of course, was before we knew about "the tent."

It was also the worst argument ever.

[Elster88]

That's the second worst argument ever. The worst is that ARod is a cooler.

[Valadius]

Had I been active on Mets boards when this "we don't need Rodriguez because of Ordonez" argument was raging, my head would likely have exploded.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't remember "The Mets don't need Alex Rodriguez because they have Rey Ordonez."

I don't remember or understand, "ARod is a cooler."

[Guest Rotblatt]

Hm. I'm not sure if I'd do that trade, Vic. I've got no problem including Reyes & Diaz, but Seo was flat out brilliant last season and he's completely unheralded this winter--which in my mind equals undervalued.

Heilman is getting more play than Seo, but IMO, Seo was far more valuable, if only because he got to pitch more. Frankly, I view the two as being equally valuable going forward, even though Heilman's younger and has better stuff. Seo's control last year was phenomenal, and his K rate is improving . . .

IMO, they'd have to throw one of their many OF prospects in to make Seo expendable, and frankly, I doubt they'd do that. After all, Seo's not really on anyone's radar. Heilman, on the other hand . . .

Maybe Reyes, Diaz & Heilman for Markakis (young lefty RF with a gun for an arm and a good eye at the plate) & Tejada? I'd settle for a lesser prospect as well--Majewski or Fiorentino (both lefty OF with some power).

I don't think that's too much to ask. I mean, even for all his flaw, Reyes is a cheap, above average shortstop with potential. Heilman is a cheap, potentially ace reliever or solid starter, and Diaz is a cheap, adequate OF.

Tejada's a superstar, but he's also expensive, and all three prospects I named are still big question marks.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: II don't remember or understand, "ARod is a cooler."

This is a line my [normally] intelligent Met-fan buddy laid on me as the reason why he wouldn't want on the Mets. A cooler is a guy who drains the surrounding area of luck and success. His opinion was based on the success of Seattle and Texas after ARod's departure, and the failure of the teams he has played on to win a WS. I went on a rant about this right on the CPF after the MVP award was announced because it was incomprehensible to me. I am NOT attributing it to anyone on this or any other Met board.

[Vic Sage]

"The Cooler" is a great movie with William H. Macy and Alec Baldwin.

[Elster88]

And a nude scene for Maria Bello.